Mrs. MURRET. Yes. They were married, I think, about maybe 4 years before John was born. I don't know the dates or the times or anything, but you can figure that she is 57 now, and John is 31. Mr. JENNER. Well, she would have been 26 when he was born, would that be about right? Mrs. MURRET. Twenty-six--I don't think she was that old; I don't know. Mr. JENNER. Well, 31 from 57 is 26. Mrs. MURRET. Yes. Well, she could have been, but I didn't think she was that old. I thought maybe she might have been around 23 years old. Let's see--well, John wasn't born until 4 years after she was married, you see. Mr. JENNER. Oh--well, that would be 26 less 4, so that would be 22 years. Mrs. MURRET. Yes; I think she was 22 about then, 22 or 23, somewhere in there. I didn't think she was 26 yet. Mr. JENNER. So we can say that she was married when she was about 22 years old; is that right? Mrs. MURRET. Yes; I think that's about right. Mr. JENNER. What was her formal education? Mrs. MURRET. She had a high school education. Mr. JENNER. Here in New Orleans? Mrs. MURRET. Yes; McDonogh High School. She lived with Mr. Pic, say about 2 years, and then they moved into another location. Mr. JENNER. They first were in this apartment in the City Park area? Mrs. MURRET. Well, that was during the time that she left Mr. Pic, previous to that. Mr. JENNER. Let's start back. You said something about his having lied to her as to his income, did you not? Mrs. MURRET. Yes. Mr. JENNER. Then I believe you said he rented an apartment in the City Park area; is that right? Mrs. MURRET. That's right. Mr. JENNER. And she found when they went out there, or whatever occurred, that he was not able to pay the rent on the salary he was making; is that right? Mrs. MURRET. Yes. Mr. JENNER. And so she went back to work. Mrs. MURRET. Yes. Mr. JENNER. Now, she remained married to him and lived with him, didn't she? Mrs. MURRET. Yes. Mr. JENNER. All right. They lived in the City Park area how long? Mrs. MURRET. I don't know how long they lived there. I really don't, but I was thinking of another time when she lived in the City Park area. That was when I was referring to. Mr. JENNER. We can come to that later. Let's just keep this in sequence, if you don't mind, and we'll cover all of it. Mrs. MURRET. Yes, sir; so then, they rented a house in another section. I have forgotten which section that was. Mr. JENNER. Here in New Orleans? Mrs. MURRET. Oh, yes; and it was during that time when she became pregnant. Mr. JENNER. Was that when they had the house? Mrs. MURRET. Yes; while they were in this regular home, you know, that they rented. It was in the lower section. I forget what section it was, probably somewhere up in the Carrollton section. Mr. JENNER. Carrollton?