Mr. JENNER. I mean the politics in the pure sense. Mr. VOEBEL. No; we didn't discuss that. We were too young, I guess, to be interested too much in politics at that time. I have read things about Lee having developed ideas as to Marxism and communism way back when he was a child, but I believe that's a lot of baloney. Mr. JENNER. You and he never discussed anything like that, then? Mr. VOEBEL. No; I am sure he had no interest in those things at that time, at least that I know of. Of course, we took courses like political science and courses like that, and he might have done a lot of reading and studying along that line at that time, but I don't even know that. I know we never discussed anything like that. Mr. JENNER. Now at this time, his two brothers, they were in the service, I believe; is that right? Mr. VOEBEL. Well, I don't know. He never did say. I know he did have two brothers, but I didn't know what they were doing. Mr. JENNER. They weren't around for any of this playing darts or playing pool, or anything else that you and Lee participated in, were they? Mr. VOEBEL. No, I never saw them. I never met them. Mr. JENNER. Did you form an opinion as to the relationship between Lee and his mother? Mr. VOEBEL. Well, I know it wasn't the type of relationship that you usually see between a mother and her children. I'm just giving you my opinion on that, now. I know that they weren't very close, as far as Lee was concerned, but of course she was always around, and I think she tried to take good care of him, but it was hard with a person like Lee to know what he was thinking or doing all the time. I think Lee loved his mother and was concerned about her, but there was something lacking there that you usually see between a mother and her children, as far as I am concerned, but with the type man Lee was, I guess a lot of that is understandable. You just couldn't get through to him. He just wasn't communicative. He just didn't talk too much about anything. Mr. JENNER. Was he curt as to his mother, that you observed? I mean, did he cut her off short in any way? Mr. VOEBEL. Well, I noticed the normal resentment going on in him at that time, but I was the same way, and I remember seeing that in other kids at that time. Your mother might be telling you things that are normally good for you, but I think every child resents discipline to a certain extent. I know I did at that time, but as to Lee and his mother, I don't think there was anything violent between them, if you know what I mean but at the same time he wasn't what you would call a mamma's boy. Mr. JENNER. What do you mean by that expression, "mamma's boy"? Mr. VOEBEL. Well, that's just an expression that was used at that time. Mr. JENNER. Was it used with respect to Lee and his mother? Mr. VOEBEL. No; never. He was no mamma's boy. Mr. JENNER. Well, did you have the impression that his mother was often indulgent toward him? Mr. VOEBEL. In one way; yes.