Mrs. MURRET. I don't think they like it, but, like I said, on holidays or something we can do it. Mr. JENNER. Was that one of the rules of the school authorities over there? Mrs. MURRET. I guess so, because otherwise Gene would call us. Mr. JENNER. All right. Now, tell me about your trip over there. Just what happened? Mrs. MURRET. Well, when I saw Lee coming out of the house to get in the car, it was a hot day, and he had this flannel shirt on, and I said, "Oh, Lee, let me give you another shirt that won't be so uncomfortable," but he wouldn't accept another shirt. He kept the flannel shirt on, and that's the way he went over there. He didn't want me to get him another shirt. He just wouldn't accept favors from anybody. He was so independent. Well, anyway, we got over there, and that night we were going to meet. Mr. JENNER. That's you and your husband? Mrs. MURRET. And Joyce. Mr. JENNER. Joyce, your daughter? Mrs. MURRET. Yes. Mr. JENNER. And her two children? Mrs. MURRET. Yes. Mr. JENNER. And Lee and Marina, and their child June? Mrs. MURRET. Yes, and Ron and Jill. Mr. JENNER. And Ron and Jill? Mrs. MURRET. Yes, they are Joyce's children, and Mr. Murret paid all the expenses, including the motel rooms and the meals, and so forth. Now, when Lee and Marina came out from freshening up, they looked real nice. I was really surprised, especially at Marina. She had got herself all dressed up, and she looked like a different person, and he was very attentive too to Marina. Mr. JENNER. Always? Mrs. MURRET. Always. Now, what he did at home--how he acted around her there, I don't know, but when he was in my presence he was very attentive to her and very well mannered. He would, I mean, open the car door for her, and so forth--very attentive. He would pull the chair out for her and things like that. He was very well mannered. I have to say that for him. Mr. JENNER. What was her attitude toward him? Mrs. MURRET. Well, she seemed the same way. They seemed to get along very nicely together, I thought, when they were here in New Orleans. They would take a ride out the French Market and buy some crabs and some shrimp and come home and boil and cook them. They got a big bang out of doing things like that. Now, Marina was pregnant about that time, and we asked them if we could do anything for her in the way of getting some sort of treatment before the birth of the baby, but Marina didn't want any treatment. She said she didn't need any, and it seemed like Lee must have had her at Charity Hospital, I think at least one time, because he said they told him that when she was ready to have the child, to just come right on in. Mr. JENNER. Was there any discussion of a rifle at any time in your presence? Mrs. MURRET. No. Mr. JENNER. No discussion about anything like that by anybody? Mrs. MURRET. No. Mr. JENNER. Did you ever see a rifle around in the garage where this stuff was stored? Mrs. MURRET. No; I never did.