Mr. LIEBELER. Or what? Miss MURRET. Well, she married Ekdahl when he was very young. Mr. LIEBELER. When Lee was very young? Miss MURRET. Yes. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you recall whether or not Lee was ever in an orphanage, an orphan home here in New Orleans? Miss MURRET. I know the other two boys were, and we were trying to figure out whether he was. Mr. LIEBELER. And you are not sure whether he ever was or not? Miss MURRET. No; I am not. Mr. LIEBELER. But up until the time that Lee left you and went back either to his mother or to Texas, or wherever he went, your recollection is perfectly clear that Lee was a normal, happy, bright young boy? Is that correct? Miss MURRET. Yes. Mr. LIEBELER. You mentioned this man Ekdahl, and can you tell us the background on that, and you were probably around 13, 12 or 13 years old, or perhaps even a little older, when Mrs. Oswald married Mr. Ekdahl; is that correct? Miss MURRET. Yes. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember ever having met Mr. Ekdahl? Miss MURRET. I met him once. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you know the correct spelling of his name? Miss MURRET. No. Mr. LIEBELER. What were the circumstances surrounding the meeting with Mr. Ekdahl? Miss MURRET. My circumstances? Mr. LIEBELER. No; the circumstances? Miss MURRET. He just stopped over there one day, and I think he and my aunt had John Edward and Robert with him, and they were going to military school. Mr. LIEBELER. Was this after they were married? Miss MURRET. It might have been before--I don't know whether she got married here, or she met him in Texas. I don't really know that. I do know that I saw him on one occasion, and at the time she had the two boys--he had the two boys with him, John and Robert, because, if I remember, they were in uniform. I met him on the one occasion, and if I can remember, they had the two boys with them, and they were both in uniform. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you ever hear of the circumstances under which Mrs. Oswald married Ekdahl, or met him? What do you know about this relationship? Miss MURRET. Just nothing other than what my mother has said, that actually she didn't want to get married because he was an older man, and I think he was sick, or something, and it was his sister who said, "Well, why don't you marry him?" So, they got married. I think she was quite hesitant about it, actually. Mr. LIEBELER. Before Mrs. Oswald married Lee Harvey Oswald's father, she was married to a man named Pic, is that correct? Miss MURRET. Yes. Mr. LIEBELER. Have you ever met him? Miss MURRET. No. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you know anything about that marriage? Miss MURRET. Well, that again, only from what my mother has said, that he did not want any children, and father and she found that very difficult to believe, so they thought that maybe it was just Marguerite saying that. And she loved him, and then when she got pregnant, or, she got pregnant once and lost the baby, and he had threatened to leave if she got pregnant.