So, after she lost the baby, he wanted her to go back to him, which she did. But when she got pregnant with John, he didn't--he said that he would leave before that, if she got pregnant, or something, so, anyway, he talked to my mother and my mother found out definitely that that was true. And he definitely did not want any children. So when she got pregnant with John, she left because he didn't want her to have the baby, or he didn't want her to ever to get pregnant, so she left, or he left. He left her, or she left him--it might be the other way, but, anyway, he didn't want any children, and he had always threatened that if she got pregnant, he would leave. But I think that when she got pregnant with John, she was probably carrying him, so she left, or maybe he said he was leaving--I just don't know. Anyway, that was mostly what my mother said, she couldn't conceive of any man being like that, but it was definitely true, because either she had talked to him or---- Mr. LIEBELER. Either your mother talked to Pic, or, in any event, your mother learned that apparently it was true that Mr. Pic didn't want to have any children? Miss MURRET. Yes. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you know whether Mrs. Oswald, that is, Marguerite, met Mr. Oswald before she was divorced from Pic or separated from Pic, or afterwards? Miss MURRET. Mr. Oswald? Mr. LIEBELER. Yes? Miss MURRET. It was a long time after that they were married. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you ever meet or know Lee Harvey Oswald's father? Miss MURRET. I saw him. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you have any recollection of him, what he was like? Miss MURRET. No; just as a person, you know, and I saw a picture later, and I could visualize him perfectly. I was very young then. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you have any other recollections of Lee Oswald as a young man that you can recall that you think would be helpful at this time, specifically after he left your home at the age of two? Was the next time you saw him when he moved back and moved over into Exchange Alley? Miss MURRET. Yes. Mr. LIEBELER. Did he seem to be the kind of person then that you would have expected him to be, based on your recollection of him as a 2-year old? Or did he seem different? Just tell us what impression did you have when you met him again? Miss MURRET. I don't think I really compared him to the time when he was a child, but he was a little different, as I said, from other children in that he was more reserved than the average teenager. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you think that he was a sensitive person?