Mr. O'SULLIVAN. No; I don't know that he signed any papers or had uniforms or anything. I know that he came out to New Orleans Airport and attended some of the meetings, but whether he just--you see, a lot of time people would come out and sit in the classes to decide whether they wanted to join or not. We will allow this, hoping to get more cadets. I don't know that he ever signed any papers or joined. You can check with the Louisiana Wing Headquarters and they can give it to you. Mr. LIEBELER. You don't know whether Oswald ever did actually go out to Moisant Field to Civil Air Patrol meetings at that place? Mr. O'SULLIVAN. No. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you have rifles as a part of your Civil Air Patrol program? Did you have rifle practice and drill with rifles? Mr. O'SULLIVAN. We didn't drill with rifles, but we did belong to the NRA and we did fire rifles on the range, and also when we went to summer camp we would fire on the range. Mr. LIEBELER. NRA is the National Rifle Association? Is that correct? Mr. O'SULLIVAN. Correct. Mr. LIEBELER. What kind of rifles did you fire when you went to summer camp? Mr. O'SULLIVAN. Now I am getting summer camp mixed up with the National Guard. I believe we fired .22's in the CAP. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you ever observe Oswald engage in rifle practice of any kind in connection with CAP activities? Mr. O'SULLIVAN. No, sir. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you know whether or not Oswald ever did engage in any rifle practice in connection with the CAP? Mr. O'SULLIVAN. No, sir. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you know David Ferrie, F-e-r-r-i-e? Mr. O'SULLIVAN. Yes, sir; I know him. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you know of any connection between Oswald and David Ferrie? Mr. O'SULLIVAN. No; I have no personal knowledge of anything. Mr. LIEBELER. Ferrie was involved with the CAP squadron at New Orleans Airport at the time Voebel and Oswald came out to join it? Is that correct? Mr. O'SULLIVAN. Ferrie was in charge of the squadron, and then there was a Captain Hinton. Now I was in the squadron for 6 years, so I am not sure who was in charge at what particular time. I am not sure. He could have been. He may have been, but I am not sure. I know that when he left the New Orleans squadron, Ferrie did have something to do with the Moisant squadron, so he may have. If he wasn't in charge when Oswald was out at New Orleans Airport, he may have been in charge when he went to Moisant Airport. Mr. LIEBELER. But you don't know of any time that Oswald associated with or knew Ferrie through the Civil Air Patrol? Mr. O'SULLIVAN. No; I am not sure of any. Mr. LIEBELER. Now you said that you had no personal knowledge or no direct knowledge of any relationship between Oswald and Ferrie? Mr. O'SULLIVAN. No. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you have any information that would lead you to believe that there was a relationship between these two men?