Mr. TAYLOR. She, I don't believe, indicated either thing to me. I don't--I can't honestly say that she indicated where Lee was at the time. She may have said he was at work or not at work. Mr. JENNER. You just don't have enough recollection to know whether she said he was employed and working and had work at that time? Mr. TAYLOR. Uh--the general impression is that he was not working, but it is not distinct enough to make a flat statement upon. Mr. JENNER. Is that the last time you ever saw Marina? Mr. TAYLOR. Yes. Mr. JENNER. When was the last time you ever saw Lee? Mr. TAYLOR. The previous occasion I have mentioned where I went to visit them in the evening to return the manuscript. That was the last time I saw Lee. Mr. JENNER. That was prior to November 15, 1962? Mr. TAYLOR. Yes; I don't know why he wanted that manuscript at that time. I know that he wanted it very badly. Mr. JENNER. He called you for it? Mr. TAYLOR. Uh--yes, he did. On two occasions. And, on the second one, I think I got in the car and took it to him. Mr. JENNER. Uh-huh. He called you on the telephone? Mr. TAYLOR. Yes. Mr. JENNER. Now, before I go to the De Mohrenschildts, I'd like you now to give me--now that we've had this discussion between us--your impressions of the Oswalds individually. (Off-the-record discussion followed.) Mr. TAYLOR. Uh--my impression, first, of Lee would be that--uh--he was, first, rather confused, particularly, politically. He wanted to be well-informed and an idealist. He considered himself well-informed. I don't think he was even very knowledgeable on the subject. In our conversations, when I would take exception to something he had said and argue a point with him, why, superficially, he could make a statement or support an idea that is commonly regarded in some areas as being true--such as, well, the Republican and Democratic Parties have different ideas on how things should be done just as democracy and communism have. Mr. JENNER. Yes. Mr. TAYLOR. And he could present Communist ideas to a point that it was very superficial--and when you started digging down in to the meat of the subject, why, Lee was through. He seemed to have perhaps read quite a bit of political philosophy, but when it came to really understanding it, he couldn't present a very good case for it. Mr. JENNER. Was he emotional in that respect? Mr. TAYLOR. He would--uh--not any more so than anyone else you would get into a political discussion with. This seems to be a fairly emotional subject on everyone's part. Mr. JENNER. You didn't regard him as a vicious type--as a man who would think in terms of inflicting bodily harm if frustrated? Mr. TAYLOR. Uh--well, I thought of him as a man who--uh--would kick a dog or beat his wife, but--uh--I was never afraid of him because I never felt like that he would attack anything his equal. Mr. JENNER. You were a bigger man than he, weren't you?