Mr. TAYLOR. Well, even a person--even a grown human being, any male, I wouldn't ever have expected this of him. Mr. JENNER. Regardless of size? Mr. TAYLOR. Regardless of size. Anything that could present a forceful retaliation, why, I would not have expected him to---- Mr. JENNER. Was he mild-mannered, or---- Mr. TAYLOR. He tended to be, in temperament, a little hot; but there was a very definite limit to it--even suggesting some inner cowardness. Mr. JENNER. Did you ever have occasion to observe Marina when she had any black and blue marks on her person? Mr. TAYLOR. [Pausing before reply.] No. Mr. JENNER. Did he ever mention the Kennedys or the Connallys? Mr. TAYLOR. No. Mr. JENNER. Did he ever mention the administration of either of them or their policies? Mr. TAYLOR. Uh--no; I'm not even sure that Connally was in office at that time. Mr. JENNER. Well, he was Secretary of the Navy. Mr. TAYLOR. That's right. I was thinking of him as Governor. I never heard Lee take exception to Government officials; take exception to Government policies--definitely---- Mr. JENNER. We all do this sometimes but never to the human being that might formulate them. Just to the policy itself. Did he ever mention Jack Ruby or Jack Rubenstein in your presence? Mr. TAYLOR. No. Mr. JENNER. Was he a drinking man? Mr. TAYLOR. No. Mr. JENNER. Give me as best you can now recall--did you ever loan him any money or give him any money? Mr. TAYLOR. No. Mr. JENNER. But you did things for him. You made expenditures in their behalf? Mr. TAYLOR. Yes. Mr. JENNER. Did you ever pay for any of the dental care administered to Marina? Mr. TAYLOR. No. To my knowledge, that expense was borne by the county. Mr. JENNER. At least, you never assumed any of it? Mr. TAYLOR. No. Mr. JENNER. Have you now told us all of the occasions in which you either expended funds in their behalf or for them or accorded them help in your home, or otherwise were charitable to them? Mr. TAYLOR. Yes. Mr. JENNER. Were you aware that he was employed here in Dallas by Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall? Mr. TAYLOR. Yes. Mr. JENNER. You ever pick him up there? Mr. TAYLOR. No. Mr. JENNER. What did you ever observe with respect to his cleanliness, his personal habits in that respect? Mr. TAYLOR. That his clothes, generally, appeared to have been worn several days, and it was always in question as to when he had taken his last bath. He was not a clean person, either in clothing or personally. Mr. JENNER. Was there any contrast in that respect between himself and Marina? Mr. TAYLOR. Yes. Mr. JENNER. She was fastidious, was she? Mr. TAYLOR. Yes; very much so. And the same thing applied to her treatment of the child. It never had a damp diaper on if she knew about it. It just had to be damp--it didn't have to be wet. Mr. JENNER. Did you ever see him dressed up in the sense that you and I are dressed now--in a business coat?