Mr. MAMANTOV. He did not--he never was interested in church life, but I met him through that group, and Mr. Bouhe, who are the most active participants in organizing the church. Mr. JENNER. Would you please tell us what other Russian emigres of this group in Dallas participated in the effort to organize the church about which you have testified--yourself, Bouhe---- Mr. MAMANTOV. No; I joined. This was done already by other people. We came in 1955--this already was going for a couple of years. Mr. JENNER. Who are reasonably regular attendants or at least persons interested? Mr. MAMANTOV. Mr. Bouhe---- Mr. JENNER. Bouhe, yourself, your wife? Mr. MAMANTOV. My wife not so much--she is a Catholic. Mr. JENNER. I see. Mr. MAMANTOV. But she attended, and, of course, she did everything for the sake of her children who are Greek Orthodox, and then Mrs.--oh, gosh, what is her name--Mrs. Zinzade, Z-i-n-z-a-d-e [spelling]. Her first name is Helen and his name is, I think, George, but I can look in the telephone book later on. Mr. JENNER. That's all right. Are all these people generally Russian intellectuals? Mr. MAMANTOV. No. Mr. JENNER. Now, I call you an intellectual. Mr. MAMANTOV. Right. Mr. JENNER. I meant to imply that. Mr. MAMANTOV. Put it this way--all of them have lower educational level than I do, except De Mohrenschildt. Mr. JENNER. De Mohrenschildt has a higher education, as you do? Mr. MAMANTOV. Right. Mr. JENNER. Most of these other people have the qualifications or are interested in what? Mr. MAMANTOV. De Mohrenschildt has the same or a little bit low---- Mr. JENNER. As yours? Mr. MAMANTOV. As mine. We are both geologists and might be called miners, and the Voshinins are the same. Mr. JENNER. Who else? Mr. MAMANTOV. Grigor'ev--this was the benefactor of that church. That's called Grigor'ev, he was the benefactor of that church. Voshinin, Bouhe, all of us were on the same educational level. The rest of them were below high-school education, especially like in Mr. Bouhe's case, he is an accountant, and a Latvian--Mrs. Grolle, G-r-o-l-l-e [spelling], and the first name is Emma. Now, who else was there--now, an Estonian couple who are very active--Hartens, H-a-r-t-en-s [spelling], and his first name, I don't remember, but if you need it exactly, we take the telephone book--all of these names are in the telephone book. This group actually was very active in organizing. Mr. JENNER. Meller, M-e-l-l-e-r [spelling]? Mr. MAMANTOV. Yes; and Mrs. Meller--right, and the closest relationship is between her and Mr. Bouhe. Mr. JENNER. You mean there's a close relation between Mrs. Meller and Mr. Bouhe, they are close friends.