Mrs. GRAVITIS. I never have talked with her in person, but only on the phone. In May of that particular year, Mrs. Paine went to San Antonio, and she asked me would I help Marina because she doesn't know the English language and nobody could help her. Mr. BELIN. This was Mrs. Paine? Mrs. GRAVITIS. She asked me to help, and Marina was pregnant at that time. Mr. BELIN. Let me ask you this. Have you ever met Marina Oswald? Mrs. GRAVITIS. No. Mr. BELIN. Have you ever met, or did you ever meet Lee Harvey Oswald, her husband? Mrs. GRAVITIS. No. Mr. BELIN. Did you ever talk to Lee Harvey Oswald on the telephone? Mrs. GRAVITIS. No. Mr. BELIN. Did you ever talk to Marina Oswald on the telephone? Mrs. GRAVITIS. Yes. Mr. BELIN. How many times, approximately, have you talked to Marina Oswald? Mrs. GRAVITIS. Two. Mr. BELIN. When did the first conversation take place, and what was said? Mrs. GRAVITIS. The time when Mrs. Paine went to San Antonio, we had a severe storm, and the next day in the morning, I called Marina at the Paine's home. Mr. BELIN. This would have been when? Mrs. GRAVITIS. I think this was in May 1962, or 1963, I forget. This was this past summer, 1963. Mr. BELIN. What did Marina Oswald say? Did she say where she was from and where she lived before she came to this country? Mrs. GRAVITIS. I asked her where did she come from, from what city in Russia. The answer was, she came from Leningrad and used to live in Leningrad, on Ligovka Street. Mr. BELIN. Did she say she lived anywhere else other than Leningrad? Mrs. GRAVITIS. She said she lived in Minsk and got married in Minsk, and together with her husband--excuse me it is just the reverse. She lived in Minsk, got married in Minsk, and went to Leningrad and lived on this street in Leningrad. Mr. BELIN. After she was married? Mrs. GRAVITIS. Yes. Mr. BELIN. She lived in Leningrad with her husband after she got married? Mr. MAMANTOV. Would you mind if she started again? Mr. BELIN. Let's start at the beginning now. Mrs. GRAVITIS. In Minsk she got married. This is White Russia. And then together with her husband arrived at Leningrad. They lived in Leningrad on this street, Ligovka Street. Mr. MAMANTOV. Now mother stresses that so much, because she remembers this part in Petrograd very well, and this was the laborers, the poor part of Leningrad--I mean of Petrograd at that time, and somehow brought mother's memory back to Petrograd. Mr. BELIN. Did she say what she did in Leningrad and Minsk after she was married, or what her husband did? Mrs. GRAVITIS. I asked her what is her profession. She said she is a pharmacist. And I was surprised at 22 years and pharmacist. Mr. BELIN. Did she say what her husband did in Russia? Mrs. GRAVITIS. I didn't ask and she didn't say. Mr. BELIN. Did she say what her father did? Mrs. GRAVITIS. No. She said that she didn't have parents. Father and mother were dead, and for this reason she had easier time to get out of Russia.