Mr. BELIN. Did she have a stepfather? Mrs. GRAVITIS. I don't know. Mr. BELIN. Did she say why she came to the United States? Mrs. GRAVITIS. She said her husband was returning home and she came with her husband. I was very surprised how did the Soviet Union let you out, I asked Marina. She said, "We had a luck." Mr. BELIN. Did she say anything else about that? Mrs. GRAVITIS. "Husband doesn't have work here." I mean in the United States, and so her husband didn't have any income, and for this reason she lives at Mrs. Paine's home. Mr. BELIN. Did she give any other statements about how she happened to get out of Russia other than that she had luck? Mrs. GRAVITIS. I didn't ask and I felt she wouldn't tell me. I mean, I didn't ask, and I feel if I asked, Marina wouldn't tell me. Nobody who is coming out from there would tell how they got out or why they got out. She was complaining that her husband didn't have work here and couldn't get a job. I replied that everybody who wants to work in the United States can get a job. Then she asked me what kind of work you mean. I said any kind of laboring work is possible. Roadwork or any kind of work. And she said that her husband thinks that such type of work is below his dignity. Mr. BELIN. Did she say whether or not her husband was a Communist? Mr. MAMANTOV. She would like to ask you now what do you understand by the word Communist? Mr. BELIN. Well, I would like to have your mother-in-law explain just what she would call it. Mrs. GRAVITIS. I had a conversation. I said here in Dallas is a person or a gentleman who helps many Russians who are arriving in this city, or who has helped in the past, Mr. Bouhe. Marina said, "Yes, I know him." She said her husband and Mr. Bouhe don't match in their characters. And I replied that you think probably not match the characters, but they agree in their principles, and she said, "Yes." Mr. MAMANTOV. She said, my husband--and this word, I don't know exactly how to translate it--I mistranslated it for the FBI, this word, and I think in your investigation it is very important. She replied that her husband is now--I could not translate just the individual word. I have to give you the meaning of the Russian word, which was developed fairly recently--that my husband is a person who believes in ideas, and it means ideals of the Communist movement. Now, I can give you the translation of this word if you would like to insert, because maybe in Washington you can get a better description of this word. Mr. BELIN. Can you spell the word? Mr. MAMANTOV. Yes; ideinyi--which has political connotations, and it means a person who believes in the Communist movement, Communist ideals, but doesn't hold yet a ticket or membership in the Communist Party. But this is a step to achieve the membership in the Communist Party.