Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I started looking for a job, very unsuccessfully, if I may say so. In New York in those days, in 1938. I even started selling perfumes, I remember, for a company called Chevalier Garde. Mr. JENNER. Did you have any interest in that company? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No; just purely as a salesman. I even sold some materials for Shumaker and Company. Mr. JENNER. Where were you residing then, with your brother? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; part of the time. Then I had my own room. Mr. JENNER. Your brother was then living on Park Avenue, was he? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. Mr. JENNER. 750? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. Mr. JENNER. And you--how long did you stay with him? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I think as soon as I arrived we went to spend the summer on Long Island, Belport, Long Island. Mr. JENNER. And at Belport, you made what acquaintances? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Lots of people, but especially Mrs. Bouvier. Mr. JENNER. Who is Mrs. Bouvier? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Mrs. Bouvier is Jacqueline Kennedy's mother, also her father and her whole family. She was in the process of getting a divorce from her husband. I met him, also. We were very close friends. We saw each other every day. I met Jackie then, when she was a little girl. Her sister, who was still in the cradle practically. We were also very close friends of Jack Bouvier's sister, and his father. Mr. JENNER. Well, bring yourself along. Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That friendship more or less remained, because we still see each other, occasionally--Mrs. Auchincloss, and occasionally correspond. Well, then, I realized there was no future selling perfume or materials in the State, and having had that background of the oil industry in my blood, because my father was the director of Nobel Enterprises, which is a large oil concern in Russia, which was eventually expropriated and confiscated, and I decided to come and try to work for an oil company. I arrived in Texas. Mr. JENNER. Excuse me, sir. Before we get there--because that skips some things--one of your efforts was as an insurance salesman? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; that is right. Mr. JENNER. And---- Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. How did you know that? Mr. JENNER. You were unsuccessful in that, were you? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Very unsuccessful. Mr. JENNER. As a matter of fact, you didn't sell a single policy? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Not a single policy. Mr. JENNER. Over what period of a time did you pursue that activity? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I even didn't pass my broker's examination. I tried to get an insurance broker's license. I studied to be an insurance broker in the State of New York. And I failed dismally that examination. So that was the end of my insurance business. Mr. JENNER. Now, we have you up to the advent of World War II, which was--this is about 1941. Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. But before that I was in Texas and worked for Humble Oil Co. Mr. JENNER. Before 1941 you had gone to Texas?