Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; in 1939. Mr. JENNER. You went to Texas in 1939? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. Mr. JENNER. And how did that come about? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Well, I was interested in the oil industry and wanted to see in which way I could fit into the oil industry. Mr. JENNER. Whom did you contact? How did you get there? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Well, I went by bus--to Texas by bus. But what actually helped me was that my sister-in-law, my wife's sister, had a very, very close friend in Louisiana, Mrs. Margaret Clark--Margaret Clark Williams, who had large oil properties, large estates in Louisiana. That is about the year 1939. I got to Louisiana, as the guest, I remember--with my sister-in-law's aunt, Mrs. Edwards. And then I looked the situation around in New Orleans and decided to apply for a job with Humble Oil Co. Mr. JENNER. In New Orleans? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No. They had a branch office in New Orleans, but I had to apply for a job in Houston. So I went to Houston, and I applied for a job with Mr. Suman, who is vice president of Humble Oil Co. Also I met the chairman of the board of the Humble Oil Co. through mutual acquaintances. Mr. JENNER. Did you return to Louisiana and do some work there? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; I worked in Terebonne Parish, on a rig. Mr. JENNER. You worked on a rig. This is physical work? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Physical work, yes; lifting pipes, cleaning machinery. Mr. JENNER. In other words, starting from the ground floor? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. Mr. JENNER. If there is such a thing in the oil business. Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Absolutely. Mr. JENNER. Whatever the bottom was, you were doing it? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes, sir. Very well paid, by the way--a very well paid job, but very tough--at the time, you see, what good pay was at the time. Mr. JENNER. I think we might at this time see if I can describe you for the record. You are 6'1", are you not? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. Mr. JENNER. And now you weigh, I would say, about 195? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That is right. Mr. JENNER. Back in those days you weighed around 180. Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That is right. Mr. JENNER. You are athletically inclined? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That is right. Mr. JENNER. And you have dark hair. Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No gray hairs yet. Mr. JENNER. And you have a tanned--you are quite tanned, are you not? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. And you are an outdoorsman? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. I have to tell you--I never expected you to ask me such questions. I also tried to get various jobs otherwise. I went to Arizona. Mr. JENNER. Mr. De Mohrenschildt, one of the things I am trying to do is get your personality into the record, because many people have described your personality. Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Very different, probably. Mr. JENNER. I wouldn't say very different. But you would be surprised the kind of things that are said about you. I don't know that you would be surprised.