Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I still do, I hope. Until the day I die. But anyway, it was not really so. It was just an interesting couple who were--it pleased us to know that here is a pretty girl from Soviet Russia that had arrived, because we all picture Soviet Russian women like a commando--big, fat women, working in a brick factory. Mr. JENNER. You were curious to find out more about them, were you not? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. Mr. JENNER. What did you do? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Again, now, my recollections are a little bit vague on that. I tried, both my wife and I, hundreds of times to recall how exactly we met the Oswalds. But they were out of our mind completely, because so many things happened in the meantime. So please do not take it for sure how I first met them. Mr. JENNER. We want your best recollection. Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. My best recollection--I even cannot recall who gave me their address in Fort Worth. I don't recall that. Either George Bouhe or the Clarks, because the Clarks knew them already, Max and Gali Clark, because they were from Fort Worth, you see. And I think a few days later somebody told me that they live in dire poverty. Somewhere in the slums of Fort Worth. I had to go on business to Fort Worth with my very close friend, Colonel Orlov. Mr. JENNER. What is his first name? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Lawrence Orlov--he is an American, but he has a Russian name for some reason--maybe his great-grandfather came from Russia. And to my best recollection, Lawrence and I were on some business in Fort Worth, and I told him let's go and meet those people, and the two of us drove to this slum area in Fort Worth and knocked at the door, and here was Marina and the baby. Oswald was not there. Mr. JENNER. This was during the daytime? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Late in the afternoon, after business hours, 5 o'clock. Mr. JENNER. You and Colonel Orlov? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Colonel Orlov. Mr. JENNER. She answered the door. Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. Mr. JENNER. You identified yourself? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; I said a few words in Russian, I said we are friends of George Bouhe. I think he was already helping them a little bit, giving them something for the baby or something. I think he had already been in--he helps everybody. He has been helping her especially. And so the introduction was fine. And I found her not particularly pretty, but a lost soul, living in the slums, not knowing one single word of English, with this rather unhealthy looking baby, horrible surroundings. Mr. JENNER. Now we are interested in a couple of things. You found that she knew substantially no English? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No English at all at that time. I think she knew maybe--I remember that I asked her, "How do you buy things in the store," and she said, "I point with my finger and I can say 'yes' and 'no'." That is all. Mr. JENNER. Did you go into the home--was it a house or apartment?