Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. As far as I remember, George Bouhe, who is a close friend of mine, and a very curious individual, told me that there is an interesting couple in Fort Worth, and that the Clarks know them already--Max Clark and Gali--they know them already. Somebody read about them in the paper--I don't know exactly, I don't remember the exact wording any more--that somebody read about them in the paper, maybe Mr. Gregory, and discovered them, made a discovery. Mr. JENNER. Now---- Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. But we heard from George Bouhe the first time. Mr. JENNER. At this time were you aware that there had been an American who had gone to the Soviet Union and attempted to defect to the Soviet Union? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. Mr. JENNER. And that he had returned to the United States? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That is what I heard from George Bouhe. Mr. JENNER. That was the first you ever knew anything at all about---- Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I never heard about them, never heard anything about them before. Mr. JENNER. Now, is that likewise true of Mrs. De Mohrenschildt? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Same thing. I think we were both together when this conversation took place. Mr. JENNER. When did it take place? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I could not tell you the date. I think in the summer of 1962. Mr. JENNER. Now, give me your best recollection of what George Bouhe said to you about the Oswalds on that occasion. Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. He said rather a complimentary account of them--I don't think he met them yet. I think he just heard about them. Mr. JENNER. It is your recollection he had just heard about them, and heard she is very pretty, and comes from an excellent family--supposedly. And he is a fellow who got disappointed in Soviet Russia and returned to the United States, and that met with George Bouhe's approval--somebody who did that. Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I don't think he even knew that he had been an ex-Marine, and all that. I don't think he knew anything about that. Mr. JENNER. When George Bouhe spoke to you then--have you exhausted your recollections as to the conversation right at that point? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I am trying to think about it. I just remember that I got curious, what kind of a fellow he is, and what kind of a woman she is. Mr. JENNER. Were you particularly interested when you heard she was pretty? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No, no; not particularly. No; because--but it is nice to know a good-looking girl rather than to know some monster. Mr. JENNER. You have---- Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I am always curious to find somebody better looking than horrible. We are talking about serious things. Mr. JENNER. Well, it is part of the atmosphere, Mr. De Mohrenschildt. You have always had an interest in pretty women, have you not? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Sure, sure; naturally. Mr. JENNER. And you have pursued and courted them?