But I do not recall for sure whether it was the first time I met him or the second time or the third time. I don't remember. I think it was a very short meeting the first time, because Lawrence Orlov was there, and he wanted to get back home, so we just said, "Well, we will see you," and possibly Marina had mentioned that her baby needed--that she needed some medical attention with her teeth, and that the baby had not been inoculated. Possibly that was that time. But I am not so sure. Mr. JENNER. At least there was a time when that did arise? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes, yes. Mr. JENNER. Her need for dental care, some attention needed to be given to the child? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. Mr. JENNER. Your impression was the child looked rather on the sickly side? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; very much so. It was kind of a big head, bald big head, looked like Khrushchev, the child--looked like an undergrown Khrushchev. I always teased her about the fact that the baby looked like Khrushchev. Mr. JENNER. I don't want to prod you, because I want you to tell the story in your own words. Now, you had this visit, and you returned home? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I think the first visit was very short, and we drove back with Lawrence, and I remember on the way we discussed that couple, and both had a lot of sympathy for her especially. But he also struck me as a very sympathetic fellow. Mr. JENNER. Yes. Give me your impression of him at that time--your first impression. Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. The first impression and the last impression remain more or less the same. I could never get mad at this fellow. Mr. JENNER. Why? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Sometimes he was obnoxious. I don't know. I had a liking for him. I always had a liking for him. There was something charming about him, there was some--I don't know. I just liked the guy--that is all. Mr. JENNER. When you reached home, you reported on this---- Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. You know, he was very humble--with me he was very humble. If somebody expressed an interest in him, he blossomed, absolutely blossomed. If you asked him some questions about him, he was just out of this world. That was more or less the reason that I think he liked me very much. Mr. JENNER. Yes; he did. It is so reported, and Marina has so said. Well, that first visit didn't give you any opportunity to observe the relations between Marina and Lee, I assume? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I already noticed then that the couple--that they were not getting along, right away. Mr. JENNER. What made you have that impression?