Mr. LIEBELER. Are you sure that she told you they stayed in Moscow for a whole year or did they just go to Moscow to see about the papers and then come back to Minsk and wait in Minsk for the year to go by? Mrs. RAY. Well, really, when Mrs. Ford call us, she on telephone told us that she come from Moscow, you know. That is girl, Russian girl, she says she come back from Moscow. Mr. LIEBELER. From Moscow? Mrs. RAY. Yeah, and then later on Marina said that she, you know--let me see how she say--that she come from Moscow. She fly--not fly--I do not know how they come but she say from Moscow she come to America but she been in Moscow 1 year. Said that's year or little better but she been in Moscow with him; that's what she tell. Mr. LIEBELER. For a year? Mrs. RAY. Yeah. Mr. LIEBELER. But they did not tell you what they were doing there for a job? Mrs. RAY. No; well, she tell he have to wait on paper this long and that's as far as I know. Mr. LIEBELER. Now, did Marina know how to speak English as far as you could tell? Mrs. RAY. No; she don't understand word. She speak Russian but she don't understand English. Mr. LIEBELER. Did Oswald or Marina tell you what kind of an apartment they had to live in when they lived in Minsk? Mrs. RAY. No. Mr. LIEBELER. Did they tell you where they lived when they were in Moscow? Mrs. RAY. No. Mr. LIEBELER. Can you remember anything else that they may have told you about the time that they were in Russia together? Mrs. RAY. Well, I don't think anything else. I can recall main things. I never been concerned about where they lived or what they been doing. All I wanted to know how easy she get out, you know; how come she so easy to go when such a difficulty to have anything to do. That's why my impression been that everything is get better, you know. Mr. LIEBELER. Did they tell you how much money Oswald was paid at his job? Mrs. RAY. Where, there? Mr. LIEBELER. Yes. Mrs. RAY. No, uh-uh. Mr. LIEBELER. Did they tell you why Oswald went to Russia in the first place? Mrs. RAY. No; but I read in the paper and then, you know, before he went, I remember in Fort Worth paper, I read it about boy went to Russia that he said that's government he preferred and that's place he want to go to live and--but that's as far as--then Mrs. Harris is one that told me she know about him, that he went to Russia and want to stay there and then he change his mind and want to come back to America. Mr. LIEBELER. You knew that about Oswald when you met him at Ford's party, is that right? Mrs. RAY. Yes--no, no; I don't know it because we suppose to know it and Zena--that's Mrs. Harris--don't know either who they are but when we go Mrs. Harris found out who is here and then she told me. That's in conversation, you know, he went to Russia and don't like it and he come back but marry this Russian girl and brought her with. Mr. LIEBELER. So, you learned that at the Ford party because Mrs. Harris told you that, is that right?