Mr. BARGAS. That's approximately right. Mr. JENNER. It was in 1962? Mr. BARGAS. I believe it was. Mr. JENNER. And it was in July sometime? Mr. BARGAS. Sometime in July. Mr. JENNER. Along about the middle of July? Is that correct? Mr. BARGAS. Yes; somewhere around in there. Mr. JENNER. In response to this message that had been transmitted to the Texas State Employment Agency, somebody by the name of Lee Oswald came to your place of business, to the factory, and you had made it clear through your secretary, who called on your behalf, that you were seeking somebody who was going to start at the bottom, to be trained, that if he had some sheet metal experience that would be fine? Mr. BARGAS. That's right. Mr. JENNER. But, whoever this employee or prospective employee would be, would start at a low rate and it would be contemplated that he would be trained? Mr. BARGAS. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. Now, Lee Oswald came on the scene--do you recall your meeting with him? Mr. BARGAS. No--not very distinctly--no. Mr. JENNER. Do you relatively frequently have occasion to seek new employees? Mr. BARGAS. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. This was not out of the ordinary? Mr. BARGAS. No, sir. Mr. JENNER. It was just in the regular course of business? Mr. BARGAS. Right. Mr. JENNER. And neither the nature of the employment, nor the man himself in either respect--was there anything unusual or particular about it? Mr. BARGAS. No--none whatever. Mr. JENNER. And tell us about that meeting, to the extent you can recall it. Mr. BARGAS. Well, it's pretty hard because I meet so many people that's come in and out. Mr. JENNER. I appreciate that--it may be important to us, Mr. Bargas, that your recollection is exactly what it is, that this employment was just the usual, ordinary sort of thing and that he didn't impress you greatly--don't you be embarrassed at all--all we want to find out from you is what your personal recollection is and what you remember, that's all. It may be just as important to us that you remember very little, because it was not extraordinary, as your remembering something particular about it. Give us what you now recall took place. Mr. BARGAS. Well, the only thing that I remember taking place was him coming into the plant. Mr. JENNER. And he came to see you--or he was directed to you? Mr. BARGAS. He was directed to me, and he came in and I gave him an application to fill out and we talked and I gave him instructions of what I expected of the men when he came to be employed there. Mr. JENNER. Would you tell us as best you can now recall that conversation--what you told him--what did you expect, what did you say to him that you expected?