Mr. JENNER. Mr. Graef, I am Albert E. Jenner, Jr., and I am a member of the legal staff of the Commission appointed to investigate the assassination of President Kennedy, our President, and I think Mr. Rankin of the Commission sent you, or you have received from Mr. Rankin, a letter together with copies of the Senate Joint Resolution 137, creating the Commission, authorizing its creation, and President Johnson's Executive Order 11130, appointing the Commission and fixing its power and also a copy of the procedural regulations adopted by the Commission with respect to the taking of testimony. Mr. GRAEF. That's correct. Mr. JENNER. And you appear here voluntarily? Mr. GRAEF. Yes; I do. Mr. JENNER. The Commission, as you know from those documents, is appointed to investigate the circumstances surrounding the assassination of President Kennedy, and particularly any facts and circumstances respecting the involvement of Lee Harvey Oswald, and that tragic event, and seeks to gain information from those who had some touch with his life, and we understand you had some connection with him with respect to an early employment, in 1962, by Mr. Oswald, in your company--Jaggars, J-a-g-g-a-r-s [spelling], Chiles, C-h-i-l-e-s [spelling], Stovall, S-t-o-v-a-l-l [spelling]. Mr. JENNER. Off the record. (Discussion between Counsel Jenner and the witness, Graef, off the record.) Mr. JENNER. Our information is that Lee Oswald was an employee of Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall in October 1962; is that correct? Mr. GRAEF. That's correct. Mr. JENNER. Now, you lived at 522 Browder, B-r-o-w-d-e-r [spelling]? Mr. GRAEF. No; that is the address of the firm--Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall. Mr. JENNER. You reside where? Mr. GRAEF. At 7304 Turtle Creek. Mr. JENNER. Here in Dallas? Mr. GRAEF. That is correct. Mr. JENNER. And you have been a resident here in Dallas for about how long? Mr. GRAEF. Approximately 18 years. Mr. JENNER. And you are a married man and have a family, I assume? Mr. GRAEF. That's correct. Mr. JENNER. And how long have you been employed or associated with Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall? Mr. GRAEF. About 10 or 11 years; perhaps a little longer. Mr. JENNER. Since your earlier answer that Oswald was employed at one time in October 1962, by this company, do you have knowledge or reasonably direct information as to the circumstances leading up to his employment, and what kind of an employee he was? Mr. GRAEF. Yes; I do. Mr. JENNER. Would you, in your own words, just tell us about it? Mr. GRAEF. Certainly. Mr. JENNER. Start at the very beginning, as best you can, so I can get the whole story of the matter. Mr. GRAEF. Fine. About that time--it was, I believe, October, I don't have any written information in front of me that I recall---- Mr. JENNER. This is 1962? Mr. GRAEF. That's correct--I'll have to recall as best I can.