Mr. GRAEF. No; they are just red neon lights that provide dim illumination, but at this particular spot in the darkroom, I can see when anyone is within 15 or 20 feet of me, and, of course, I could lower my voice and not embarrass him when I released him, so I said, "Lee, come on back, I would like to talk to you." So, we went back, and I said, "Lee, I think this is as good a time as any to cut it short." I said, "Business is pretty slow at this time, but the point is that you haven't been turning the work out like you should. There has been friction with other people," and so on. Mr. JENNER. What did he say when you said that? Mr. GRAEF. Nothing. And I said, "This is, I think, the best time to just make a break of it." I believe I gave him a few days, and I said, "Feel free, of course, to make any calls of the Texas Employment Commission where you came from originally," and I told him, "I think you tried to do the work, but I just don't think that you have the qualities for doing the work that we need." And, there was no outburst on his part. He took this the whole time looking at the floor, I believe, and after I was through, he said, "Well, thank you." And he turned around and walked off. Mr. JENNER. Have you had occasion in your career to discharge other employees? Mr. GRAEF. Yes. Mr. JENNER. And recalling the reaction of other employees, could you tell us your present view or opinion as to your experience--comparing your experience with the discharge of Lee Harvey Oswald with the discharge of other employees--was it usual and normal? Mr. GRAEF. Yes; I think it was just about the usual. He might have been perhaps a shade more quiet. There were no questions asked about why I thought he wasn't qualified. Mr. JENNER. Do you think he was aware of it? Mr. GRAEF. I think he was aware of it; yes. Mr. JENNER. No outbursts of any kind? Mr. GRAEF. No. Mr. JENNER. Anything said about what might happen if he sought references in any future employment? Mr. GRAEF. Yes; I told him--I volunteered the information. I said, "Lee, if there is another job that you find, I'll be glad to give you a recommendation, a good recommendation," because--I told him, "I think you have tried," and I think he had. It would have been, of course, with reservations--any new employer that had called me for a recommendation, I would have had to say something about his relations with other employees. Mr. JENNER. And that would have been somewhat negative? Mr. GRAEF. That's correct; but he did try to become a worker. It wasn't that he wasn't industrious--he was not lazy. He, to the best of his ability, tried but the ability was not there. Mr. JENNER. Now, I take it then from your recital that his discharge was for the reasons you have given and not because of any past history that you discovered with respect to him? Mr. GRAEF. No.