Mr. PIC. My mother told me some way or another, I don't remember, sir. This is how I learned about it, either by phone call or by letter or some way. Of course, I knew he would do it as soon as he reached the age. Mr. JENNER. All right. Why did you know he would do it and tell us the circumstances upon which you, the facts upon which you base that observation? Mr. PIC. He did it for the same reasons that I did it and Robert did it, I assume, to get from out and under. Mr. JENNER. Out and under what? Mr. PIC. The yoke of oppression from my mother. Mr. JENNER. Had that been a matter of discussion between you and for example, between you and your brother Robert? Mr. PIC. No, sir; it was just something we understood about and never discussed. Mr. JENNER. And that would include Lee as well as your brother Robert; that is, you were all aware of it? Mr. PIC. I know this includes my brother Robert. Of course, when I was 18 years old I didn't discuss things like this with Lee, who was much younger. Mr. JENNER. Please elaborate on that. You made a general statement---- Mr. PIC. OK. Mr. JENNER. Which lawyers would call a mixed matter of conclusion and of fact and we would like to know the circumstances in general. Mr. PIC. OK. Mr. JENNER. They would probably go back for a good many years and it involves a personality. Mr. PIC. Well, why don't I start with the death of Lee's father, and I think really starting there I can tell you more of my own feelings and so forth. I can make one statement but to bring out the circumstances I think I should go back a little further. Mr. JENNER. All right. I will come back to this eventually. I will start you off this way. You are the brother of Lee Harvey Oswald. Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. And you are also the brother of Robert? Mr. PIC. Robert Lee Edward Oswald, Jr. Mr. JENNER. Robert Lee Edward Oswald? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. I notice in your statements that you refer to him as Robert Lee Edward Oswald. There are some references by others to Robert E. Lee Oswald. Mr. PIC. Yes. Mr. JENNER. Your stepfather is generally referred to in the record and by witnesses as Lee Oswald. What was his full name? Mr. PIC. To the best of my knowledge, sir, it was Robert Lee Edward Oswald. Mr. JENNER. In any event your brother Robert was a junior. Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. Your brother Robert was born April 7, 1934; is that to the best of your recollection? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir; to the best of my recollection. Mr. JENNER. And your brother Lee Harvey Oswald, October 18, 1939? Mr. PIC. That is correct, air. Mr. JENNER. Your father's name? Mr. PIC. Edward John Pic, sir. Mr. JENNER. You are named after him except---- Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. The two surnames were reversed? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir; I think it appears on here. Yes, sir; I think it appears on here. Yes, sir. John Pic, Jr., in fact his name is---- Mr. JENNER. Edward John Pic, Jr. Mr. PIC. Right.