Mrs. GIBSON. Yes. Mr. JENNER. And your husband occasionally sought out him? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes. Mr. JENNER. Did Lee express any views with respect to others in that milieux, that company, the Halls, the Mellers, the Clarks, Bouhe, the Voshinins, the Russian emigree colony? Mrs. GIBSON. Well, he liked Mr. Bouhe very much and he expected a lot of him. I think he thought that Mr. Bouhe might be his key to getting a good job. Mrs. Hall now, he liked her, but he said she was a crude, coarse woman. I think maybe he really deeply didn't like her that well. Alex--what did you say his name was? Mr. JENNER. Kleinlerer. Mrs. GIBSON. He didn't like him at all, and the other people you mention, I imagine he has talked about them, but I can't place them, so I don't know his opinion on them. Mr. JENNER. These people were trying to help, were they not? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; especially George Bouhe. Mr. JENNER. What was Lee's attitude toward that effort? Mrs. GIBSON. I don't know. I don't know why they were trying to help him. He didn't deserve it. They didn't owe it to him. Yet he seemed to, I got the feeling he thought they did. Why, I don't know. Mr. JENNER. Did you get the feeling at any time that he was contemptuous of any of them? Mrs. GIBSON. When they didn't come up with something he wanted; yes. I'd say George Bouhe was the one that stuck by him the most, more than my father, more than any of them. Mrs. Hall got disgusted with the whole thing, and especially, well, with both of them really, a lot with Marina and a lot with Lee. She got very disgusted with the whole situation. My father did, too. George Bouhe seemed to be the only one that sort of stuck by them. Mr. JENNER. Why did your father become disgusted with them? Mrs. GIBSON. Oh, just in general, with Lee's lack of being able to get a good job or being able to really stick with anything, his treatment of his wife, his treatment of his fellowmen, just his total indifference. My father just got very aggravated with the whole thing, got aggravated with Marina for taking Lee's abuse, and he just got fed up. Mr. JENNER. Now, there came an occasion when he either lost or quit his position in Fort Worth, isn't that so? Mrs. GIBSON. I guess so. Mr. JENNER. Well, that---- Mrs. GIBSON. I imagine, I don't know if he lost it or if he quit. I believe he said he quit. Mr. JENNER. All right, now that you have said that, the fact is that he did quit. Now, to help orient yourself, that occurred on the 8th of October 1962, which was, I think, a Tuesday but I will check on that to make sure. That was a Monday. Now, between that Sunday afternoon which would be either late in August or some time in September, and the 8th of October, which was a Monday, when he left the Leslie Welding Co., had you seen the Oswalds? Mrs. GIBSON. Between when? Mr. JENNER. Between the Sunday that you visited them and the 8th of October.