Mr. JENNER. Was it before or after she went to the hospital? Mrs. GIBSON. It was after, right after, when she came home and she was still in bed. It was before she went to New York. Mr. JENNER. She came back on the 26th of October? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; and we went over there and she was still in bed. Mr. JENNER. Was that the occasion? Was he there? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes. Mr. JENNER. Was that the occasion when you told him that you would help him move? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes. Mr. JENNER. When he found a place? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; I believe he said he was looking. And I believe---- Mr. JENNER. Lee was at the Halls' on that occasion? Mrs. GIBSON. No; I think we took him there. Mr. JENNER. All right, he was not at the YMCA. Mrs. GIBSON. No. Mr. JENNER. He was not staying at the Halls'? Mrs. GIBSON. No; he came to our apartment. Mr. JENNER. So he must have been staying somewhere in Dallas? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; he must have been. He came to our apartment. I don't ever recall taking him back to any place in particular, or picking him up at any place in particular. See, that is my problem. But I do remember the visit when she was in bed, and we told them that we would help them move. And I guess he must have called us or come to visit us about moving, and we took our car and I think, I don't know if we rented a trailer, I think they rented a trailer in Fort Worth, I am not sure, and left it in Dallas. Mr. JENNER. Let's get it sequentially. You left your apartment? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes. Mr. JENNER. Lee came to your apartment? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes. Mr. JENNER. In the morning was it? Mrs. GIBSON. Morning or early afternoon. Mr. JENNER. And then you left your apartment? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes. Mr. JENNER. You, your husband, and Lee? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes. Mr. JENNER. And where did you go? Mrs. GIBSON. To drop the baby off. Mr. JENNER. Your baby? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes. Mr. JENNER. With a sitter? Mrs. GIBSON. No; to Mrs. Taylor, Gary's mother. Mr. JENNER. All right. Mrs. GIBSON. From there we went to Fort Worth to Mrs. Hall's, and then Lee and Gary went to rent a trailer, and I stayed with Marina. Mr. JENNER. Was Mrs. Hall home on that occasion? Mrs. GIBSON. No. Mr. JENNER. Where was Mrs. Hall? Mrs. GIBSON. I don't know. I guess she was in New York. So, they came back with the trailer and we started to load up all the stuff, and Alex---- Mr. JENNER. Kleinlerer? Mrs. GIBSON. Kleinlerer came by, I guess to supervise the moving, to see that nothing was taken of Mrs. Hall's, and he watched us move and we got all their stuff out, and we took them to their apartment in Oak Cliff, Elsbeth apartment, to move them in there. By then it was early evening, and then we left them there. We looked over the apartment and we left them there. Mr. JENNER. Your husband rented that trailer? Mrs. GIBSON. I think Lee did; didn't he? I don't think Gary paid for it. Did Gary pay for it? I can't imagine Gary paying for it. He might have, but I don't see it.