Mr. JENNER. Apart from that, did Lee thank you for spending the day? Mrs. GIBSON. Very briefly, thank you, and that was all. Marina was not happy with the apartment at all. She said it was filthy dirty, it was a pigsty and she didn't want to stay there. Lee said it could be fixed up. Mr. JENNER. What was their attitude toward each other on that occasion? Mrs. GIBSON. They were arguing. Mr. JENNER. During the day when you reached the Elsbeth Street apartment? Mrs. GIBSON. Not too much during the day but after she saw the apartment she was very unhappy with it and they were arguing very much when we left. Mr. JENNER. Was it your impression she had not seen it? Mrs. GIBSON. No; I don't believe she had; no. Mr. JENNER. What was your impression of the apartment? Mrs. GIBSON. It was a hole. It was terrible, very dirty, very badly kept, really quite a slum. It had possibilities to be fixed up. It was large, quite large, built very strangely, little rooms here and there, lots of doors, lots of windows. The floor had big bumps in it, you know. It was like the building had shifted and you walked up hill, you know, to get from one side of the room to the other. It was not a nice place; no. Mr. JENNER. Was it a brick structure, wooden? Mrs. GIBSON. It was brick outside, dark red brick. It was a small apartment building. I think two stories, overrun with weeds and garbage and people. Mr. JENNER. Did you visit the Oswald's in that apartment thereafter? Mrs. GIBSON. No. Mr. JENNER. Do you know whether your husband did? Mrs. GIBSON. I think he told me when I came back to Dallas in December that he visited them once. Mr. JENNER. I take it then that sometime after November 3, you left Dallas? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; I left Dallas the latter part of November. Mr. JENNER. And just to orient you, where did you go? Mrs. GIBSON. I went to Tucson, Ariz. Mr. JENNER. You were with your aunt? Mrs. GIBSON. No; I was by myself. Mr. JENNER. Had you lived in Tucson? Mrs. GIBSON. Before that, no; not really. I had been to boarding school there a few years, and I lived in Tucson 1 year with my aunt in a house that we rented, and her husband, but I had not lived in Tucson before this. Mr. JENNER. Let's identify her. What was her name? Mrs. GIBSON. Mrs. Tilton. Mr. JENNER. What was her full name? Mrs. GIBSON. Do you want her first name? Mr. JENNER. Yes. Mrs. GIBSON. Nancy. Mr. JENNER. Nancy Tilton? Mrs. GIBSON. Nancy Sands Tilton. Mr. JENNER. And her married name? Mrs. GIBSON. Mrs. Charles Elliott Tilton III. Mr. JENNER. And in previous years you had as a young girl, even as a child, lived with her; had you not? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes. Mr. JENNER. That was a good many years? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; 14 years. Mr. JENNER. Fourteen years. Was that in Arizona or Florida? Mrs. GIBSON. It was all around. I lived in Vermont in the summer, Arizona in the winter, Florida sometimes. It depended. Mr. JENNER. Your aunt was a person of means I gather?