Mr. JENNER. All right. Now, he was born on the 18th of October 1939, so this was the occasion when he was living at the YMCA? Mrs. GIBSON. His birthday was the next day or something, or a couple of days. Mr. JENNER. He was at the YMCA from the 15th through the 19th, 1962? Mrs. GIBSON. I am getting my days messed up, because I thought she stayed with us while he was at the YMCA. She must not have. You know, I can't place when she stayed with us. I can just place the period of time that she stayed with us, you know, that it was not over 3 or 4 days. Mr. JENNER. Could it have been right following his leaving the YMCA? Mrs. GIBSON. It possibly could have been. I really don't know. But like I said, that is something I forgot. Now that you know his birthday, you can place when she was baptized and when she brought this box to me. Mr. JENNER. She was baptized the day before his birthday? Mrs. GIBSON. I am not sure if it was the day before or 2 days or 3 days, but it was real close to his birthday. Mr. JENNER. Real close? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes. Mr. JENNER. The records indicate the baptism occurred on the 17th of October, 1962. Mrs. GIBSON. Then it must have been the day before. Mr. JENNER. Which is the day before his birthday, but the occasion you remember it was about his birthday time? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes. Mr. JENNER. They left a box of clothing or some gift? Mrs. GIBSON. Oh, it had a shirt and a pair of sox and general things. Mr. JENNER. These were new? Mrs. GIBSON. Brand new. Mr. JENNER. A gift? Mrs. GIBSON. A gift; yes. From his wife. Mr. JENNER. Didn't it seem strange to you at that time with him at the YMCA they didn't ring him up or go by the YMCA and leave this birthday gift? Mrs. GIBSON. She didn't want him to know that she was in Dallas because she didn't want him to know she had baptized the baby. Mr. JENNER. Did Lee speak with you on that subject? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; I guess it must have been the next day that he dropped by and I gave him the box, and I didn't say anything about this, but I think he had heard it. I think he had talked to Marina or something on the telephone. Mr. JENNER. He became aware when he came by the next day, which would be his birthday, that they had---- Mrs. GIBSON. I think she told him on the telephone that she had baptized the baby, and he asked me if I knew, and I said yes, and he said, "Why didn't you tell me?" And I said, that it was not any of my business. Mr. JENNER. I am a little bit confused. He came by the next day, that is the day after Mrs. Hall and Marina were there? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes. Mr. JENNER. And he came by to pick up his birthday gifts? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes. Mr. JENNER. At that occasion you didn't say anything to him about the baptism? Mrs. GIBSON. No. Mr. JENNER. Therefore, at some subsequent occasion---- Mrs. GIBSON. Yes. Mr. JENNER. After that---- Mrs. GIBSON. Yes. Mr. JENNER. There was a discussion?