Mr. JENNER. Would you look further through that manuscript and see if your recollection is refreshed as to any other discussion you had with him? Mrs. GIBSON. Well, we talked a little bit about clothing and food. Mr. JENNER. That is a generalization. Tell me what you talked about. Mrs. GIBSON. Well, he said that the Russian people were very impressed with his clothing, that they did not have the quality or the style that he had. Also the sparseness of fruits, vegetables there. He told them about the supermarkets we had here and how plentiful fruit and vegetables were, how expensive butter and everything was in Russia, like that, your dairy products, aside from milk, butter, and cottage cheese, and all these things were extremely expensive and, well, like gold. Education we talked about, how much higher their educational standards are. Mr. JENNER. Than ours? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes. Mr. JENNER. What did he say in that connection? Mrs. GIBSON. They are much higher, that everybody is trained there to do something. That they have what would be considered, well, like your elementary school, and after you finished this required, oh, I don't know what it is, 8 or 9 years of school, you take this test, and if you pass this test you are admitted into what is considered college. If you don't pass it, you are able to choose a vocational school that you can go to to train you in some vocation, oh, like bricklayers or electricians or plumbers or something like this. You are allowed to choose whatever you want. You hear, he said, that women are laying streets, let's say, in Russia and he said that isn't because they are made to but this is because what they have chosen to do, what they want to do. That is about the general gist of what he had to say. Mr. JENNER. Do you recall something about a time when little June was baptized? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; I do. Mr. JENNER. Tell us about that, please. Mrs. GIBSON. Well, one evening there was a knock at the door and I went to answer it and Mrs. Hall and Marina and June were outside, and Mrs. Hall came in and told me that she had just brought Marina and June to Dallas. Mr. JENNER. Did Marina and the baby come in the apartment, too? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes. Mr. JENNER. And Mrs. Hall said this in the presence of Marina? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes. Mr. JENNER. Was your husband home? Mrs. GIBSON. No. She said that they brought the baby to Dallas to be baptized without Lee knowing it because he would object, and that Marina had been brought up in Russia with religion, although it was against the law there, and that she wanted her child to be baptized, and that Lee objected so strongly to it that she did it on the sly, and she asked me please not to tell him. And she left a box of clothes of his there for me that she had bought him. It was his birthday, I believe, the next day. Mr. JENNER. Lee's birthday? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.