Mr. STUCKEY. Correct; Oswald was satisfied. I think he thought he had scored quite a coup. Then I went back over it in his presence and with the engineer's help excerpted a couple of the remarks by Oswald in this. I forget now what the excerpts were. It has been so long ago. I think we had his definition of democracy because that, in particular, struck me, and we had a couple of his comments in which he said Castro was a free and independent leader of a free and independent state, and the rest of it, as I recall, was largely my summarizing of the other principal points of the 37-minute interview, and it was broadcast on schedule that night. Mr. JENNER. You had watered it down in length to how many minutes? Mr. STUCKEY. Five minutes. Mr. JENNER. Five minutes? Mr. STUCKEY. Actually 4-1/2. Mr. JENNER. So you took the portions of your 37-minute interview, which we now have a transcript of, which is Exhibit No. 2, and boiled that down to 4-1/2 minutes? Mr. STUCKEY. Correct. Mr. JENNER. And that was a radio broadcast? Mr. STUCKEY. Yes. Mr. JENNER. That evening. All right. Was that your last contact with Mr. Oswald? Mr. STUCKEY. No; it was not. Mr. JENNER. Following the broadcast did you have any further conversation with him, that evening? Mr. STUCKEY. That evening; no. The only thing that did transpire was I told him that I was going to talk to the news director to see if the news director was interested in running the entire 37-minute tape later, and I told him to get in touch with me, Oswald to get in touch with me Monday, and I would let him know what the news director said, and that was all the conversation we had that night, and he went his way. I did just that the next Monday, I called the news director and asked him if he had heard the tape, and he said no. I asked him if he was interested in running it. I told him I thought it was pretty interesting, and he said, for some reason, he thought that it would be more spectacular a little bit--there would be more public interest if we did not run this tape at all, but instead arrange a second program, a debate panel show, with some local anti-Communists on there to refute some of his arguments, which I did. Which I did--I arranged a debate show for a regular radio feature that WDSU has called "Conversation Carte Blanche." This is a 25-minute public affairs program that runs daily. It is almost always interviews of people in the news locally or this sort of thing. I was in charge of arranging the panel, so I picked Mr. Edward S. Butler. Mr. JENNER. Tell us who he is. Mr. STUCKEY. He is the Executive Director of the Information Council of the Americas in New Orleans. Mr. JENNER. What is that organization?