Mr. STUCKEY. It is an anti-Communist propaganda organization. Their principal activity is to take tape-recorded interviews with Cuban refugees or refugees from Iron Curtain countries, and distribute these tapes which are naturally, it goes without saying, these tapes are very strongly anti-Communist, and they distribute these tapes to radio stations throughout Latin America. As I recall, they came to have over 100 stations using these tapes regularly. Well, Mr. Butler is a friend of mine. I knew him as a columnist, and it just seemed like---- Mr. JENNER. He was an articulate and knowledgeable man in this area to which he directs his attention? Mr. STUCKEY. Yes; so I asked him to be one of the panelists on the show, which he accepted, and, incidentally, I let him hear the 37-minute tape in advance; and for the other panelist I asked Mr. Bringuier, Mr. Carlos Bringuier, that we mentioned earlier, as being the man who led me to Oswald--I asked him to appear on the show to give it a little Cuban flavor. And then Oswald called me after it was arranged, and I told him we were going to arrange the show and would he be interested, and he said, yes, indeed, and then he said, "How many of you am I going to have to fight?" That was his version of saying how many are on the panel. Mr. JENNER. He said this to you? Mr. STUCKEY. Yes; in a jocular way. Mr. JENNER. Where did this take place, on the telephone? Mr. STUCKEY. On the telephone; yes. This was Monday or Tuesday, the 19th or the 20th of August, whenever it was that I had informed him of the show. Mr. JENNER. Had he called you? Mr. STUCKEY. Yes; I gave him my office number so he called me at a prearranged time. He was very punctual, very punctual. He was always there on time, all those calls came on time. So I informed him about this debate show and he agreed. He said he thought that would be interesting. Then the next time I see him is on the afternoon of August 21, Wednesday. I believe this was about 5:30. Mr. JENNER. Was this to be a preliminary session also? Mr. STUCKEY. Yes--well, no; this was to be a live program. The Conversation Carte Blanche panel show is not to be prerecorded as the other one was. Mr. JENNER. I appreciate that, but I was just talking about your meeting with him on Wednesday afternoon, the 21st, at 5:30. The program went on at what time? Mr. STUCKEY. At 6:05. Mr. JENNER. I see. It was not long before the program. Mr. STUCKEY. No. Mr. JENNER. It was not a preliminary interview such as you had had, which is transcribed as Stuckey Exhibit No. 2? Mr. STUCKEY. No; there were some comments of which I will tell you later. Mr. JENNER. All right.