Mr. JENNER. Excuse me, sir; when you just talked about Washington and Bethlehem you put Washington before Bethlehem, and this morning you put Washington into Bethlehem. Mr. PIC. No, sir; we went to Washington before Bethlehem. Mr. JENNER. I think you will find that the record of this morning, I am pretty sure, will show a different sequence. That is your impression, that you went into Bethlehem a few months after your stepfather died? Mr. PIC. No, sir; Infant Jesus. Mr. JENNER. Infant Jesus. I see. Go ahead. You are right. Mr. PIC. We were constantly reminded we were orphans and there were financial difficulties, and I was rather young, I don't remember too much about this, but it was always something to do about money problems. We kind of liked Infant Jesus, it wasn't bad at all. We had a pretty good childhood while we lived on Bartholomew Street, there were no major problems there. And even at Bethlehem we both, Robert and I enjoyed Bethlehem. I mean we were all there with the kids with the same problems, same age groups, and everything. Things for myself became worse when Lee came there, that is why I know he wasn't there too long. Mr. JENNER. Tell us about it? Mr. PIC. At Bethlehem they had a ruling that if you had a younger brother or sister there they had bowel movements in their pants the older brothers would clean them up, and they would yank me out of classes in school to go do this and, of course, this peeved me very much, and I wasn't but 10 or 9 or 11. Mr. JENNER. He was only 3 years old? Mr. PIC. Yes; but I was 10. And they did quite a few things like this. If there was an older brother or sister there they had to take care of the younger child. The people there didn't all the time. Mr. JENNER. Was this 7-year spread as the years went on between you and Lee, did that affect your relationship with him as distinguished from your relationship with your brother Robert who was only 2 years younger? Mr. PIC. Well, anything I was involved in Robert always was. Lee was left out because of the age difference. Robert and I went to all these homes together and all the schools together. Lee didn't, of course. Mr. JENNER. During the course of the years your companions and friends, I assume were different, that is you and Robert on the one hand? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. And Lee on the other? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. His life differed a little from yours too, didn't it, that is at the outset of this early period your mother, except for this period at Bethlehem, when he was there, except for his being withdrawn for a few weeks at a time, he was largely with her? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. Living with her? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. And did she express problems on her part with him? Mr. PIC. Well, she referred how would she work and take care of a child and things like this, both. It would seem that the problem with Robert and I was easier to solve than the problem with Lee.