Miss MUMFORD. I will have to refer to notes. Oh, yes; the first thing he told us was that he was from Fort Worth, in Texas. And he wanted to know where we had been, and we told him we were Australians. He wanted to know the places we had visited. We told him. And he mentioned that he had been in Japan while he was in the Marines, and that was the closest he had got to Australia and that he would very much like to go to Australia. He then told us that he had been to Russia and asked whether we had ever been to Russia. We said no, and we told him of a friend of ours, a fellow Australian, who had been to Moscow, and her experiences there. And we asked him what he was doing in Russia and did he have trouble getting in. He said that he was studying there. He had an apartment in Moscow and was studying. We didn't ask him what he was studying. At this stage he showed us his passport that had a Russian stamp on it; some sort of a Russian stamp. And he didn't mention his Russian wife at all. But we noticed he had a gold wedding ring on his left hand. We made about three stops or four stops every 2 or 3 hours, and he didn't speak to us during these stops. We got speaking to the other British people. Mr. BALL. Did he speak to you again after that time that he first came back? Miss MUMFORD. Yes; oh, about 2 hours before we arrived in Mexico City he asked us whether we had accommodations arranged there. And we said no, we had a vague idea from a book called "Mexico on Five Dollars a Day" where we were going to stay. And he suggested that on previous trips to Mexico City he had stayed at a place called the Hotel Cuba, and he recommended it for clean and cheap living. And he then made a crack that he wasn't suggesting the Hotel Cuba because he was going to be there; he just suggested it to help us. And we decided that we wouldn't take him up on his suggestion; that we would go our own way. Then we arrived in the Mexico City bus station and he didn't speak to us, attempt to speak to us at all. He was one of the first off the bus and the last I remember seeing him he was standing across the end of the room. Mr. BALL. At the bus station? Miss MUMFORD. At the bus station. And we left by taxi. Mr. BALL. Then you had two conversations with him? Miss MUMFORD. Yes. Mr. BALL. Or more? Miss MUMFORD. No; two. During the trip I engaged the middle-aged English gentleman in conversation, asking him about the weather, and what it was like usually. And he said, "The young man traveling beside me has traveled to Mexico also. Why don't you talk to him?" And that was all. Mr. BALL. Where were you when you talked to the English gentleman; the elderly man? Miss MUMFORD. Just standing outside at one of the rest stops, standing outside waiting to board the bus. Mr. BALL. Did you talk to any one of these four people as the bus was en route, except Oswald; the four English-speaking people?