Miss MUMFORD. Not on the bus. We did speak to the young English couple for a while, told them where we had lived in London, and they had told us very vaguely, I remember, that they were also traveling through the United States, but their main aim wasn't to go to the tourist resorts in America but to go down to Mexico. Mr. BALL. Did you get their names? Did they tell you their names? Miss MUMFORD. No. Mr. BALL. You didn't ask them their name? Miss. MUMFORD. No. Mr. BALL. When did you talk to this elderly English gentleman who was sitting beside Oswald when you first got on the bus? Miss MUMFORD. The only time we talked to him was at one of the rest stops outside the bus. And I just happened to ask him about the weather, and that was the only conversation. Mr. BALL. Did he say anything else to you on the trip except that there was a young man sitting next to him that had been in Mexico before? Miss MUMFORD. No. Mr. BALL. That's all he said? Miss MUMFORD. Yes. Mr. BALL. About how many people were on this bus? Miss MUMFORD. There must have been about 14 rows on both sides, with two people on each. About 50, 55. It was crowded. Mr. BALL. I have a note here of a statement you made to an agent for the Federal Bureau of Investigation on the 18th of December in which it was reported that you estimated about 39 passengers. Do you recall that? Did you ever say that? Miss MUMFORD. Well, these were conflicting reports, naturally. The FBI questioned Patricia at our apartment and he then questioned me here and, naturally, two people get different ideas on a bus load. But, it was well crowded. There were a lot of children on the bus. I should imagine there would be--they were long, great big, long, heavy buses. Mr. BALL. Were there any vacant seats when you got on? Miss MUMFORD. Quite a few people boarded in Monterrey. And we were a bit frightened that we wouldn't get a seat together. But I think we were one of the few people who got on first. Mr. BALL. What part of the bus did you sit in? Miss MUMFORD. In the middle of the bus, more towards the back than the front. Mr. BALL. Did the English man ever come back while you were being seated and speak in Spanish to any of the Mexican people? Miss MUMFORD. No. Mr. BALL. You don't recall that the English man ever came back and asked the Mexican people to make room for you to sit down? Miss MUMFORD. No. Mr. BALL. At the bus stops, you say, you did not talk to Oswald? Miss MUMFORD. No. He was the first off the bus and the last back on. He had a meal at every bus stop. Mr. BALL. Oh, he did? Miss MUMFORD. Yes. Mr. BALL. He ate at every bus stop? Miss MUMFORD. Yes. I never saw him ordering. I took it that he didn't speak the language, but he always managed to order himself a large meal, because he never seemed to get it over to them what he wanted. Mr. BALL. What gave you the impression that he did not speak the language?