Mr. JENNER. Well, I think probably a good new start off point is Mr. Ekdahl. Tell us your recollection of him, what led up, your present recollection of the circumstances which brought him into your lives and when you first were aware of his existence and what your circumstance was at that time, what your mother's was? Mr. PIC. Okay. Mr. JENNER. Give times as best you can. Mr. PIC. If you can date for me when I had my appendix out I can practically date for you Mr. Ekdahl's---- Mr. JENNER. I am afraid I can't. Were you at Bethlehem Orphanage? Mr. PIC. Yes; I was at Bethlehem so it would be either 1943 or 1944, and I am sure she was at Pittsburgh at that time. Mr. JENNER. Pittsburgh Plate? Mr. PIC. Right. And it was right after I had my appendix out that he appeared on the scene. And she visited us more often when she was going with him. Mr. JENNER. And she brought him with her, did she? Mr. PIC. Yes; he had the car. Mr. JENNER. By the way, did your mother have an automobile during this period following your stepfather's death? Mr. PIC. I don't think so, sir. Mr. JENNER. But Mr. Ekdahl did have an automobile? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir; he had a 1938 Buick. Mr. JENNER. And your mother visited you more often? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. All right. Mr. PIC. And they on weekends took us to Covington. I remember once, it may have been more. Mr. JENNER. All right. I wanted to ask you about that. While your stepfather was still alive, did you occasionally visit Covington? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir; we did. Mr. JENNER. Covington, as I understand it, Covington, La., is sort of a summer resort area, is it not? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir; it is on the--it is north of New Orleans on the northern shore of Lake Pontchartrain, and the Murrets used to go to Mandeville, which is about 30 miles closer to New Orleans than Covington was, and we used to visit them back and forth during the summer. Mr. JENNER. Do you recall the names of any of those people that you--whose homes you, the summer resort homes that you rented during the summer period? Mr. PIC. To the best of my recollection, sir, we were in cabins at these tourist places. We were never at anybody's home. The Murrets were, I believe, at somebody's home in Mandeville. They had a large house there. Mr. JENNER. Does Mrs. Benny C-o-m-m-a-n-c-e, is that name familiar to you? Mr. PIC. No, sir. Mr. JENNER. At 600 West 24th Street, Covington, familiar to you? Mr. PIC. No, sir. Mr. JENNER. Does the address 311 Vermont stimulate your recollection over in Covington? Mr. PIC. No, sir; if it was this time period it doesn't. That may have been the street we lived on when we went there in 1946, I don't know. Mr. JENNER. All right. I ask you to relate the circumstances respecting Mr. Ekdahl. Mr. PIC. Well, in June 1944, we were removed from Bethlehem, and---- Mr. JENNER. Did you know about that in advance? Were you aware you were going to be removed and why?