Mr. JENNER. What was your brother Robert's nickname? Mr. PIC. In Chamberlain-Hunt we referred to him as "Mouse". I think that hung on a while after that. Mr. JENNER. What nickname did he have before that? Mr. PIC. None that I recall. Mr. JENNER. Why did he get that? Was he a quiet boy? Mr. PIC. He was the littlest one in Chamberlain-Hunt and that was why they called him that. Mr. JENNER. I see, size. Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. Did Lee ever have a nickname? Mr. PIC. Not that I know of, sir. Mr. JENNER. You had the feeling, did you, up until this incident at least that Lee is a young boy, 7 years younger than you, and his brother Robert 5 years older than he, and he looked up to both of you as older brothers? Mr. PIC. That is correct, sir. Mr. JENNER. And you had, both you and your brother Robert had love in your heart for your brother Lee? Mr. PIC. That is correct, sir. Mr. JENNER. And you felt he reciprocated that? Mr. PIC. That is correct, sir. Mr. JENNER. And the relationship between yourself and your brother Robert was cordial? Mr. PIC. They always have, and still are, sir. Mr. JENNER. I may say to you that he so testified. All right. Mr. PIC. So they moved out in about September 1952, maybe it was late September, early October, somewhere around there, so from about somewhere between September of 1952 and January 1953, my brother Robert came to New York on leave, and we were all invited up to the Bronx. Mr. JENNER. To visit whom? Mr. PIC. Sir? Mr. JENNER. To visit whom? Mr. PIC. To visit my mother and my brother. Mr. JENNER. Your brother? Mr. PIC. That is correct. Mr. JENNER. Did your brother's wife accompany him? Mr. PIC. He wasn't married at that time, sir. Mr. JENNER. He wasn't married? Mr. PIC. I think this was, his leave was probably in October or November 1952, a matter of a month or two after they had moved out. We visited their apartment in the Bronx. Mr. JENNER. Excuse me, where did your brother stay? Mr. PIC. I think he stayed at the Soldier-Sailor-Airmen Club in New York. Mr. JENNER. In any event he did not stay with you. Mr. PIC. No, sir; he may have stayed with my mother also. I don't think so. Maybe for a night or two. We went out, my wife fixed him up with a date with one of her girl friends and we went out together a couple of times. So, we were invited up there for this Sunday dinner. So it was my mother, Lee, Robert, my wife, myself, and my son. Robert was already there when we arrived. When Lee seen me or my wife he left the room. For dinner he sat in the front room watching TV and didn't join us whatsoever. Mr. JENNER. He did not join you for dinner? Mr. PIC. No, sir. Didn't speak to me or my wife. Mr. JENNER. That put a kind of pall on the visit, did it not? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. Did you--he didn't speak to you. Did you attempt to speak with him? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir; I did. Mr. JENNER. Did he answer you?