Mr. PIC. August-September 1953. Mr. JENNER. August of 1953, September of 1953, was there any discussion with her about Lee? Mr. PIC. When I asked about him it was the same old stuff, he is getting along better. She would tell me that he still doesn't have anybody to confide in, things like this. Mr. JENNER. Was there any further discussion about truancy, any possibility of care for him by a psychiatrist? Mr. PIC. No, sir; when I asked about this she said everything was working out fine. Mr. JENNER. All right. Mr. PIC. Whenever I would meet her it would be the same old song and dance, like hinting around I should help support her which I couldn't afford to do, sir. Mr. JENNER. You had a wife and child by that time? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. What was your compensation? Mr. PIC. For what, sir? Mr. JENNER. In the service at this time. Mr. PIC. I was petty officer, second class, I guess my base pay was maybe $190, plus extras, quarters allowances, maybe total $300 a month. Mr. JENNER. Was your wife still residing with your mother-in-law? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. And were you contributing to the support of that whole family unit? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. Mother-in-law, wife and child? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir; I was paying the rent and buying the groceries. In fact, that year I claimed my mother-in-law as a dependent on my income tax, sir. Mr. JENNER. By the way, you had claimed, did you, at some point in your service your mother as a dependent? Mr. PIC. In one of her letters she refers to that. I don't recollect that, sir. I think it was prior to my joining the service that she referred to. When I was working full time, maybe the year right after, I don't remember, sir, that incident at all. Mr. JENNER. All right. Mr. PIC. Well, on these visits that I would spend with her downtown, we would eat lunch or something on Saturday. It got old after a while listening to her so I knew I was getting transferred to Virginia in September, 1953, so my wife left in August of 1953 to live with her sister until I was stationed there in September, 1953. Mr. JENNER. Where did her sister live? Mr. PIC. Norfolk, Va. And I was to be stationed at Portsmouth, Va., at the Naval hospital there for school purposes. When I did finally get transferred from the ship to Portsmouth, Va., I did not make known to my mother our whereabouts or our address. Mr. JENNER. Why not? Mr. PIC. Like I said, sir; it was getting kind of old. The only time I had seen her would be downtown and she didn't have much to say to me and I didn't have too much to say to her. Mr. JENNER. During this period of time there came about a substantially complete rupture then between yourself and your mother? Mr. PIC. To a certain degree. Mr. JENNER. Did you see your brother at any time thereafter? Mr. PIC. No, sir; I did not. Mr. JENNER. Was there an occasion in Thanksgiving 1962 when you saw him?