We talked about the family and everything. She talked about Lee, about how proud he was to be in the Marine Corps, and he really put on a big show about this. Mr. JENNER. How did she know that, did she reveal? Mr. PIC. She had seen him, evidently, when he was first in the Marine Corps. She described him in uniform, and---- Mr. JENNER. You had the impression she had actually seen him in Japan? Mr. PIC. No; she wasn't in Japan the same time he was. This is a year after I am in Japan, sir, before I had seen her. Mr. JENNER. I see. Mr. PIC. And she had seen him when he first joined the Marine Corps, is my impression, sometime while he was in the Marine Corps and in the States. Mr. JENNER. You had the impression that Lee had visited their home in New Orleans? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir; that is the impression I got. Mr. JENNER. Go on. Mr. PIC. Well, at this time, my mother was still writing to me, I never answered any of her letters. Maybe I would receive a letter from her every once, every 2 or 3 months. I also was aware of the fact that Lee was going to be discharged from the Marine Corps. Mr. JENNER. You became aware of that through what means? Mr. PIC. The letters I would receive from my mother. She informed me that Marilyn Murret--that Lee upon his discharge had gone to Europe. I asked her how did he ever decide that, and where did he get the money and she said he saved it while he was in the Marine Corps. Mr. JENNER. Did she say he had gone to Europe? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. Her quote, sir, to the best of my knowledge, "Do you know that Lee is in Europe?" I said, "No, I don't know that." I had no way of knowing that. So I started asking her about him, and this is what she told me that Lee had gone to Europe. It was that night, sir, on the 9 o'clock news that I learned that Lee had defected. Mr. JENNER. You say 9 o'clock news--was that---- Mr. PIC. Japan time, sir, that night. Mr. JENNER. I mean, what source was the news? Mr. PIC. American Armed Forces Network. My wife and I were in bed, and I was about half asleep, and the radio was closest to her and she nudged me and told me, and I said, "No, it couldn't be." So the next day it appeared in the paper. Mr. JENNER. What paper? Mr. PIC. The Stars and Stripes, sir. Then I heard it on the radio again the next day. There were a couple or three articles in the Stars and Stripes about his defection. And I reported to the OSI and told them who I was, and I told them who he was. Then I got in contact with the Embassy in Japan. Mr. JENNER. That is the American Embassy? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir; and attempted to contact Lee. The only thing I could get out was a telegram. I think my quote in the telegram was "Please reconsider your actions." This, I understand, was delivered to him at the Metropole Hotel in Moscow. After this defection I received several---- Mr. JENNER. Excuse me. Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. When you heard this what was your reaction?