Mr. JENNER. If it had been on, prior to that time, she didn't mention any defection? All she said to you was, "Did you know that Lee was in Europe?" Is that correct? Mr. PIC. That is correct, sir. She didn't specify any country. In fact, I asked her what country, and she said she didn't know. She just knew he was in Europe. She had come from Australia to Japan. I think she may have been in Japan a month prior to contacting me, a month, a little less probably. Mr. JENNER. You saw her again after that, did you? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir; she visited our house several times. I think the last time we seen her was about April or May 1960 when she left Japan. We never seen her again. She said she would contact us and tell us when she was leaving, but she never did. Mr. JENNER. What was your assignment in Japan? Mr. PIC. I was a medical laboratory technician at the hospital there, sir. Mr. JENNER. When did you return to the United States? Mr. PIC. July 1962, sir. Mr. JENNER. And to where did you return? Mr. PIC. To Lackland Air Force Base where I am presently stationed. In Japan, there is more that happened, sir. Mr. JENNER. All right. Mr. PIC. I received--I wrote Lee, I mean Robert, and asked him about this. Of course in Japan we didn't get much news and the OSI wouldn't tell me too much. The Embassy, all they confirmed is that he did defect. I guess in a period of 2, 3 months I got information from Robert through several letters. Every time I got some information I went to the OSI about this. It seems there was a letter, I don't remember if Robert had copied it from Lee's letter or he had sent me the original letter. I showed this, I gave it to the OSI. If they gave it back, it is destroyed now, sir. In this letter he said that no one should try to contact him because the American capitalists would be listening over the phone. He mentioned that he had been contemplating this act for quite awhile. That no one knew it. This is all in my OSI report. And from what other information I had, I received the impression that him turning toward communism or Marxism, whichever you want to call it, took place while he was in Japan and in the Marine Corps, sir, from the insinuations that were involved in the letter or from his own statements. Mr. JENNER. Up to this time, Sergeant, in all your association with your brother, had there been occasions when there were discussions with him in the family about any theories or reactions of his toward democracy, communism, Marxism, or any other form of government? Mr. PIC. Sir, the last time he talked to me, I think he was only about 12, 13 years old. Mr. JENNER. Well, the answer is no? Mr. PIC. No, sir; that is the answer--no, sir. Mr. JENNER. That is that there hadn't been any such discussions? Mr. PIC. That is correct, sir. Mr. JENNER. You--I take it from that answer--you never heard him assert any views? Mr. PIC. No, sir. Mr. JENNER. On his part, with respect to that subject matter? Mr. PIC. No, sir.