Mr. PIC. Well, Lee informed us that he was working at some type photography printing company. Mr. JENNER. In Dallas? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir; in Dallas. Mr. JENNER. You were advised during the course of that day he was then at that time living in Dallas? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir; that is what he said. Mr. JENNER. And working in some kind of photographic work in Dallas? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. All right. Mr. PIC. I said he referred to their living conditions. Mr. JENNER. What did he say? Mr. PIC. They had a one-room, I think it was one room. They ate and slept in the same room, I believe. They had no radio, no TV. That Marina, when they first arrived, was really astounded about supermarkets. Every time she went in one she lost control of herself. Marina herself wore no lipstick, very plainly dressed. Lee appeared to be a good father in that he would relieve Marina the burden of holding the child and taking care of it. Mr. JENNER. How was he attired when you met him at the bus station? Mr. PIC. He had on a sport jacket and tie. Sports jacket and tie. Mr. JENNER. He was clean and neat? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. How did Marina and your brother Lee appear to be getting along? Mr. PIC. Well, sir; being they only spoke Russian to each other, I don't know what they said but they appeared to be just like any other married couple married a year or 2. Mr. JENNER. Was there any conversation during the course of the day in which you participated or overheard as to Marina's undertaking to learn English? Mr. PIC. Well, my sister-in-law, Vada---- Mr. JENNER. That is Robert's wife? Mr. PIC. Wife. Of course, she had, she and my wife had a lot to say to each other, and through my wife, I found out what Vada had said to her, that Lee did not permit Marina to wear any lipstick, he did not permit her to learn English. My wife, she thought this was really absurd and said the best thing to do was to get them a TV set and let her sit home and learn English. My wife thought it was terrible the way her conditions were as far as this was concerned. The girls seemed to gather in the dinette and we sat around in the living room, talking. Mr. JENNER. Was anything said by Vada or your wife on that occasion as to the reason why Lee was not permitting Marina to learn English and speak it and write it? Mr. PIC. Well, my wife assumed that if she did ever learn English she would wise up, being we had seen the Japanese wise with their husbands. For example, while they were living over in Japan and the wife is usually meek and mild but when they get over here they change, you see, she gets her American ways, and lowers the boom on the husband like all the other American wives do. And my wife was under the impression that this would happen if once she did learn English and everything. Mr. JENNER. All right. Keep talking about what occurred on this particular day, what was said, what your impressions were until you exhaust all of your recollection.