Mr. JENNER. Did that arrest your attention? Was that a material difference? Did that strike you? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir; it struck me quite profusely. Mr. JENNER. What else did you notice about his physical appearance that arrested your attention? Mr. PIC. His face features were somewhat different, being his eyes were set back maybe, you know like in these Army pictures, they looked different than I remembered him. His face was rounder. Marilyn had described him to me when he went in the Marine Corps as having a bull neck. This I didn't notice at all. I looked for this, I didn't notice this at all, sir. Mr. JENNER. He seemed more slender? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. He had materially less hair? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. His eyes seemed a little sunken? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. Did he give you the appearance of--was he taut, was he relaxed or taut, or just what appearance did he have in that connection? Mr. PIC. Sir, he didn't strike me as being relaxed because I was not with him. Mr. JENNER. You were not? Mr. PIC. No, sir; because of these other feelings we had developed 10 years prior to this. I wondered about how he still felt about that. Mr. JENNER. But nothing occurred to lead you to believe that he still remembered it vividly, or did or didn't? Mr. PIC. When he was introduced to my wife again he did mention that he remembered her. But other than that, he completely ignored her. Mr. JENNER. Was that pretty obvious? Mr. PIC. To her it was, sir. She mentioned it to me several times. He arrived about 2. Mr. JENNER. In the afternoon? Mr. PIC. Right; and that is when we picked him up, so I guess we ate about 3, 4 o'clock or so. And then the girls cleared off the table and they sat and had coffee and I took them out, they wanted to see my car. Mr. JENNER. Took who out? Mr. PIC. Lee and Robert both. They looked at my car. Mr. JENNER. Did you take Marina out with you? Mr. PIC. No; she stayed in the house with the girls, and we talked about cars. Mr. JENNER. What did he say about a car? Mr. PIC. I was made aware sometime during the day that he wasn't driving. Other than this---- Mr. JENNER. How did you become aware of that? Mr. PIC. He said he couldn't get a license, to me. Mr. JENNER. Did he say why he couldn't get a license? Mr. PIC. He said it and give me the impression because of his citizenship status being he had a dishonorable discharge. Mr. JENNER. Did you ever see your brother Lee Harvey Oswald drive an automobile? Mr. PIC. No, sir; never in my life. Mr. JENNER. While you boys were still in Fort Worth and before you enlisted in the Coast Guard in January 1950 had you--you had an automobile, didn't you? Mr. PIC. I drove the family car. Mr. JENNER. Did your brother Robert drive? Mr. PIC. He may have known how. He was not permitted to drive the family car. Mr. JENNER. I remember when I was a boy I wasn't permitted to drive the family car, in the broad sense. Mr. PIC. Right. He never swiped it.