Mr. JENNER. You didn't learn at that time, Thanksgiving, that he had worked in Fort Worth? Mr. PIC. No, sir. Mr. JENNER. Was the Leslie Welding Co. mentioned at all? Mr. PIC. Something about welding was mentioned, that he tried it when he first came back, now that you mention it. Mr. JENNER. Was it your impression or did you gain the impression then that he had had some employment in Fort Worth then as a welder? Mr. PIC. I don't remember if it was Fort Worth, sir, or where it was. I just know that welding was mentioned. Mr. JENNER. In that connection, was it mentioned or in any fashion indicated to you that he had been employed as a welder whether in Fort Worth or otherwise, but he had been employed as a welder? Mr. PIC. It was my impression because of his experience in the Soviet Union working with metals that this helped him in getting his job as a welder. Mr. JENNER. When he first returned? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. And that that was a position or work that he had had prior to the time that he obtained the position in Dallas about which he spoke? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. That is a position preceding his work in the photography field in some firm in Dallas? Mr. PIC. Right. Mr. JENNER. Anything said about his financial status--that is, his and Marina's, and the child? Mr. PIC. Well, he said he wasn't making very much money, but they were managing to get by. They couldn't afford a TV, couldn't afford a radio, couldn't afford these necessities of life. Mr. JENNER. Did he say anything during the course of that day on the subject of any political philosophy of his? Mr. PIC. No, sir; not at all. Mr. JENNER. Politics wasn't discussed? Mr. PIC. No, sir. Mr. JENNER. Whether party politics or politics in the broad sense? Mr. PIC. No, sir; not at all. Mr. JENNER. How did he look to you physically as compared with when you had seen him last? Mr. PIC. I would have never recognized him, sir. Mr. JENNER. All right. Your brother Robert said something along these lines. You had last seen him in 19--that was prior to this occasion, the last time you had seen him was when he was in New York City? Mr. PIC. Which was a little over 10 years. Mr. JENNER. Well, just about 10 years. Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. Of course you had seen him in February 1953, I think you said. Mr. PIC. Right. But we walked in and he walked out. Mr. JENNER. But you saw him? Mr. PIC. Right, I had seen him for a moment. Mr. JENNER. He was then at that particular time in the neighborhood of 13 years of age? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. Now, when you saw him 10 years later he was 23. Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. You noticed, did you, a material change, physically first, let's take his physical appearance? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. Physically I noticed that. Mr. JENNER. What did you notice? Mr. PIC. He was much thinner than I had remembered him. He didn't have as much hair.