Chief BATCHELOR. Well, we were commenting about that camera and that they were going to have to move it, and we were going to have to man that basement. But at the moment, plans hadn't jelled as to when we would move him. Actually, back in our minds, I suppose, was the idea that when the time came, that the sheriff's department would probably move him, because this is customary in moving a prisoner. They normally come down and get the prisoner. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you discuss with Chief Stevenson anywhere along the way upstairs this phone call which you received from Mr. Talbert earlier in the morning? Chief BATCHELOR. Yes; I think I mentioned that to him. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember anything about that conversation? Chief BATCHELOR. Not anything especially. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall whether he knew or Stevenson knew at the time you saw him down in the basement that there had been such a threat? Chief BATCHELOR. I believe he did. I think someone from one of his bureaus had called him, if I remember right. It was rather common knowledge that a call like that had been received. Mr. GRIFFIN. As you walked to the elevator in the basement, do you recall whether or not there were any people in the basement? Chief BATCHELOR. No; I don't remember anybody except those people in the jail office. Mr. GRIFFIN. The people in the jail office were employees of the jail? Chief BATCHELOR. They were the jail crew that stay on all night long; yes. Not the all night. These would have been the morning shift just come on. Mr. GRIFFIN. At what time did that morning shift come on? Chief BATCHELOR. At 7 o'clock. Mr. GRIFFIN. Chief, would you take this diagram and mark on there the time that you believe you saw that camera? Chief BATCHELOR. [Marks.] Mr. GRIFFIN. I am marking this, "Dallas, Tex., Chief Batchelor, March 23, 1964, Deposition Exhibit No. 5000." As you walked into the building and went up to the third floor, did you see anybody in the garage area or along the ramp or near the record room other than police department employees? Chief BATCHELOR. No, sir. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, what happened when you got up to the third floor? What did you do? Chief BATCHELOR. I went to my office. I don't remember exactly what I did. Chief Curry came in very shortly after that, and I went into this office and we started discussing the possibility of moving the prisoner. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now will you try to remember who else was in the office with Chief Curry when you walked in? Chief BATCHELOR. No one. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did anybody come in after you? Chief BATCHELOR. Stevenson came in a little bit later. Mr. GRIFFIN. How much later, would you say? Chief BATCHELOR. Oh, 2 or 3 minutes later, if I remember. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did anybody else come in after that during this conversation? Chief BATCHELOR. I don't recall that they did. I don't believe there was. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Chief Lunday come in?