Mr. HUBERT. But the mention of Harrison, apparently is the thing that set---- Lieutenant REVILL. Set him off, and I have never been satisfied, personally, with Harrison's statement. Of course, this is my personal opinion. Mr. HUBERT. I think that kind of answers the other question. Lieutenant REVILL. Yes; it does. They were reluctant--I say, "They," the other members of the committee were reluctant to have him submitted to a polygraph examination, but I thought that this was one way of determining if he was truthful or not. Mr. HUBERT. It was as a result of your insistence that he was put under one? Lieutenant REVILL. Yes, sir. Mr. HUBERT. All right, perhaps we can go to the second interview. On what date was that? Lieutenant REVILL. This would have occurred on the 3d of December. Mr. HUBERT. Tuesday? Lieutenant REVILL. On a Tuesday, yes, sir. The afternoon of December 3. What we had been attempting to do was to put Jack Ruby on a polygraph machine, and his lawyer, Tom Howard, had been approached during the first interview as to doing this. He stated that there were other lawyers coming into the case and that he would have to have their permission before agreeing to let Jack take this examination. On Monday we communicated with Tom by telephone and he kept hedging with us, and telling us he had not heard from the other lawyers. By "Tom," I mean Tom Howard, the lawyer. On Tuesday, we discussed it again with him and he stated that he was still trying to work this thing out. So, Cornwall and I again decided--that we would go directly to Jack Ruby. He was the person involved, and we would give him the opportunity to submit to the examination. If he wanted to, fine. If he doesn't want to then it's also fine. So, we went to Jack on the 2d--on the 3d of December and gave him the opportunity to take the polygraph. Mr. HUBERT. That is to say, you asked him? Lieutenant REVILL. Asked him, yes, sir. Mr. HUBERT. Was his lawyer present then? Lieutenant REVILL. Not in the beginning. We later called Tom Howard to the interview so that he could be present, and they refused to have Jack submitted. Mr. HUBERT. At first when you asked Jack about going on the polygraph machine prior to Tom Howard's being present, what did he say? Lieutenant REVILL. He said--during the second interview he said that his lawyer would have to---- Mr. HUBERT. All right, then his lawyer came and---- Lieutenant REVILL. They declined. Mr. HUBERT. Did you talk about the basement? Lieutenant REVILL. Tried to. Mr. HUBERT. What was the result of that? Lieutenant REVILL. And again, this was part of their defense, and---- Mr. HUBERT. Did he show any anger at you then? Lieutenant REVILL. Yes; I think it was a carryover from the first interview, but this was a strategy that we used. Let him be angry with me, thinking maybe that he might tell us something, but he never did. Mr. HUBERT. Did you mention Harrison's name on the second interview?