Lieutenant REVILL. I possibly did, but at this time he was more composed, and there was no--I don't recall any outbursts. Mr. HUBERT. I gather that the second interview was not fruitful, in that nothing---- Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir. Mr. HUBERT. No information was gathered? Lieutenant REVILL. Neither interview was fruitful, other than from his outburst. It led me to believe that possibly he had talked to some officer, or had been seen by some officer prior to the shooting, but I was never able to confirm this. Mr. HUBERT. At the time you saw Ruby, I take it you had not interviewed this man, Ray Rushing? Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir. Mr. HUBERT. And didn't know anything about it? Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir. Mr. HUBERT. By the way, how did you find out about it? Lieutenant REVILL. He called me. Mr. HUBERT. Ray Rushing called you? Lieutenant REVILL. Yes; I had assisted him, oh, approximately a year ago on a problem he was having with one of his preachers. He has got several preachers in his employment, and it was--involved a theft, and I was able to assist him, and he called me. Mr. HUBERT. What date, about? Lieutenant REVILL. When he called me? Mr. HUBERT. Yes. Lieutenant REVILL. It was during the trial. During the picking of the jurors. The specific date, I do not recall. Mr. HUBERT. Anyhow, he came in and you interviewed him and made a verbal report to Alexander. Lieutenant REVILL. Oh, Alexander was present at the interview. Mr. HUBERT. Do you know whether the result of that interview was passed to the FBI or to any Government agencies? Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir; it was not. Mr. HUBERT. Nor is there a written report? Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir; no written report. Rushing was reluctant to take the stand. Mr. HUBERT. Did he say why? Lieutenant REVILL. Yes, he did. Because of his fight with the liquor industry they would use this to fight him with. Any publicity they might get of a derogatory nature would hurt him. We tried to emphasize the point that this would not be derogatory publicity. Mr. HUBERT. Did you point out to him that the position was somewhat inconsistent with the fact that he was a volunteer? Lieutenant REVILL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. What did he say? Lieutenant REVILL. He decided he would testify if his testimony was needed. Mr. HUBERT. What was his statement as to his original motivation for reporting this matter, that is to say, that he had seen Ruby? Lieutenant REVILL. I don't believe he ever said what motivated him to report this incident. Mr. HUBERT. Was he ever asked, that you know of, why he had delayed so long? Lieutenant REVILL. Yes, sir; I asked him that myself. Mr. HUBERT. What did he say? Lieutenant REVILL. Well, he used the same story, that he did not want to become involved in this thing because of his fight or his crusade to dry up the liquor industry. Mr. HUBERT. But, how did he then explain the fact that he had volunteered?