Mr. STEVENSON. Yes, sir; the same security arrangement we had used all the way. No one was to be permitted into the basement without being a bona fide member of the press or news media, and to our knowledge, or to my knowledge, there was no one down there except members of the press or police officers, or officers from some department, a Federal officer or sheriff's office. Mr. HUBERT. Do you know of any instructions that had been given with reference to checking these people for identification? Mr. STEVENSON. Only what was given to them on the third floor. Now, I don't know what instructions Captain Talbert had given the men, but he told me he had instructed that no one would be permitted in there unless they had a press pass and was officially connected with the news media. Mr. HUBERT. Did he tell you how that would be ascertained? Mr. STEVENSON. By the officers checking them and checking his credentials. Mr. HUBERT. I think you had gone there earlier on the occasion of about 9:45, I believe it was, when you and Batchelor went to get coffee? Mr. STEVENSON. That was Chief Lumpkin and I drank the coffee, Mr. Hubert. Mr. HUBERT. Anyhow, I am thinking about the last time that you were there prior to your going down finally, or to put it another way, the second to the last time you were down? Mr. STEVENSON. The next to the last time was after I drank the coffee, Chief Batchelor and I went down there. Mr. HUBERT. What time was it then? Mr. STEVENSON. About the best I recollect, around 10:30. Mr. HUBERT. Now were these news media people in those areas at that time? Mr. STEVENSON. Not on the Main Street or north ramp, not at that time. Mr. HUBERT. Do you know where they were? Mr. STEVENSON. They were back in here. Mr. HUBERT. That is to say, back in the basement area? Mr. STEVENSON. Yes; in the basement area. Mr. HUBERT. So at that time you think there were approximately, well, twice the number of people that you have since described as were in the Main ramp and the basement area, roughly about a hundred people? Mr. STEVENSON. At that time there might not have been, because that was some 40 or 50 minutes before the prisoner was transferred. Mr. HUBERT. Were there people upstairs or elsewhere? Mr. STEVENSON. Some of them were on the third floor. Some of them were on the first floor. Now just where they all were, Mr. Hubert, prior to the time the transfer was actually made, I don't know, but about 10:30, I would say that there was not that many down there at that time. Mr. HUBERT. When you said the first floor, you meant the first floor of the police and courts--of the police department? Mr. STEVENSON. Of the police and courts building; yes. Mr. HUBERT. You have already testified concerning the relation of what you call the courts? Mr. STEVENSON. The police and courts building. Mr. HUBERT. To the municipal building or the city hall? Mr. STEVENSON. Right.