Captain TALBERT. After the plans had been instituted, Lieutenant Pierce, who I had sent to the homicide bureau previously to see if we could be of any assistance, or see if he could do anything--I didn't see him enter the basement, but as he pulled up onto the ramp--or in an effort to enter the ramp, he stopped his vehicle and called me over and asked me to get in his car. I opened the door, got in on the right-hand side of his car and he told me my--I omitted something, I believe, about this armored car, haven't I? Do you want that in there? Mr. HUBERT. We'll come back to it. Captain TALBERT. All right. He told me that he had been instructed to take a car out and get in front of the armored car which was backed into the ramp on the Commerce Street side and to lead the armored car. He was to be the lead vehicle and the armored car, it would go up northbound on Central to Elm, west on Elm and swing in off of Elm on to Houston Street. That two plain cars would pull up behind of the armored car. The prisoner would actually be in the last plain car, and the first plain car would be full of armed homicide officers, and it would cut off on Main Street, west. It would leave the city hall with the cavalcade, and when it hit Main Street the two plain cars with the homicide officers in them with the prisoner would make a left and go west and the armored car and the lead vehicle there would continue to Elm and then west. The two vehicles, or rather the two groups of vehicles would be paralleling each other. One on Main, and one on Elm. Mr. HUBERT. Do you know what the plans were with reference to the controlling of traffic on Main Street on which the prisoner was actually going to be transferred? Captain TALBERT. No, sir; that was the first information I had is the fact that the prisoner would not be in the armored car. Up until that point, I assumed he would be in the armored car. Mr. HUBERT. But, at that point, it became apparent that he was not going to be in the armored car? Captain TALBERT. Right. Mr. HUBERT. You had already set up a traffic-control system by having assigned men at various intervals on Elm? Captain TALBERT. Elm; yes, sir. Mr. HUBERT. But, if they were going to use Main Street, what control would be used for cross traffic, crossing Main Street? Captain TALBERT. I have no knowledge, sir. Probably normal transportation, more than likely. That is strictly my idea. Mr. HUBERT. Now, you said that you wanted to say something about the armored car. Captain TALBERT. Yes, sir; I had previously been instructed about the armored car by Chief Stevenson and Chief Lumpkin, that was at the time they asked that the officers be placed on Main, and later transferred in to Elm Street, and at the instruction I had, was to have a man be observant, to make sure that the armored car didn't hit--didn't jam it into the overhead of the rampworks.