Mr. HUBERT. You do it. We, are changing the blue-pen marking because Captain Talbert indicates that the automobile was on an angle, and he is now marking it with the black pen. Would you put the word "auto," in that, please. Now, draw a circle and indicate where you were standing. Captain TALBERT. I was standing by the left front fender of the car, as I previously said. Mr. HUBERT. [Drawing a circle and indicating it number "7."] Captain TALBERT. Compared with the other, yes. And Chief Batchelor was standing just to the left front of the vehicle, and--I can't draw it in there with this circle correctly, but--we'll indicate that "18," Capt. O. A. Jones was standing to my left, or to the rear of the vehicle from me. Indicating that to be "19," and at the time that vehicle was attempting to back up, we had pushed them back far enough for it to maneuver. At the time it was attempting to back up, there was a muffled report, a muffled shot and bedlam broke out in the vicinity of the jail office entry into the ramp. Mr. HUBERT. Did you see the shot? Captain TALBERT. No, sir; I heard it, but did not see the shot and that there was my first knowledge that the prisoner was in the ramp area. Mr. HUBERT. Which way were you facing just before the shot? Captain TALBERT. Just before the shot, I was facing the crowd. I had faced, alternately, the automobile and the crowd, as we were attempting to get the thing back, and I was facing the crowd and could feel the automobile pushing against me, I was turning around and pushing back against the car, and as I made a little room, faced the crowd again and pushed them back. Mr. HUBERT. Did you see Lieutenant Pierce's car leave? Captain TALBERT. No, sir; I didn't see Lieutenant Pierce's car leave, because of the news media across "Area A." They screened it from me and also because of my preoccupation of getting these two plain cars up behind the armored vehicle. Mr. HUBERT. Do you know Ruby? Captain TALBERT. I know his face. I know his name. I know his reputation well. I don't know him personally. Mr. HUBERT. Have you ever met him before? Captain TALBERT. Yes, sir. Mr. HUBERT. Did you see him that day? Captain TALBERT. No, sir. Mr. HUBERT. I mean after the shot?