Captain TALBERT. After the shot, yes, sir. I'm sorry. After the shot, or after this muffled report, I went over the back of the trunk of this automobile we were trying to back in. Because of these people pushing in I couldn't get--so, I went over the back trunk of it to get to the officers. I saw they were down, and the melee that was taking place, as news media was crowding around in on them, and I give them a little room, and saw both Oswald and another man there who was being dragged into the jail office by the other officer. As soon as we got some room for them to drag them in, I shouted to the top of the entrance both on Commerce and on Main--this may not give you the perspective scope correctly, but it is about 90 feet on--from the place of the shooting to the Main Street entrance. I shouted up to the entrance, "let nobody out," or "nobody out," or something to that effect, and shouted to the top past the armored car the same thing. "Nobody out," and officers on this door told them, "Nobody out," and then went into the jail office, and Ruby was lying on the jail office floor where--with the officers at the time, attempting to handcuff him, as I recall. Mr. HUBERT. Did you recognize him at that point? Captain TALBERT. I saw his face. That I recognized, but I didn't recognize him as "Ruby." I asked a question, and may I say this in front of the young lady? I have to apologize. Do you want it verbatim? Mr. HUBERT. Yes. I'm afraid so. Captain TALBERT. I asked the question--I said, "Who is this son-of-a-bitch?" And he was saying, "I'm Jack Ruby. Everybody knows me. I'm Jack Ruby." At the same time another officer, or perhaps to answer that--"That's Jack Ruby, he operates the Carousel Club." Mr. HUBERT. That was when you first recognized him? Captain TALBERT. Yes, sir. Mr. HUBERT. As being someone that you knew? Captain TALBERT. Yes, sir. Mr. HUBERT. You had not seen him prior to that time on that, day, to your knowledge? Captain TALBERT. No, sir, nor for 2 years prior to that, to my knowledge. Approximately 2 years prior to that I was having breakfast at the Pancake House at the Ramada Inn with other officers when a man going out--we were sitting down and the man was going out and passed by and stopped. Was--and he was obtrusively friendly with the other officer, one of them he knew. He knew Lieutenant Pierce who was with me, and Lieutenant Pierce introduced me to him, and from that point until the point where he was on the floor at the jail office, I don't recall having seen him, and the only reason that I remember the Pancake incident, it was after the incident I was reminded of the incident by Lieutenant Pierce. I don't recall of having met him at any time since the old days of his operation at the Silver Spur. Mr. HUBERT. Did you talk to him, or see him after that?