Mr. CROY. He had a good head of steam up, I will put it that way. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know Captain King? Mr. CROY. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know Detective Blackie Harrison? Mr. CROY. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. Can you describe the people that you saw Ruby push through? Mr. CROY. Well, it was just a group of reporters there trying to get closer to Ruby. I mean to Oswald. Mr. GRIFFIN. Were there any police officers near Ruby at the time that he moved through that line? Mr. CROY. There were no uniform police officers. If there were some detectives there, I don't know, because I didn't know any of them. Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, during this period that you were down in the basement, the 5-minute period that you were in the basement, were you able to distinguish the plainclothes detectives from the newspaper people? Mr. CROY. No; I was in the basement longer than 5 minutes. Mr. GRIFFIN. The period that you were stationed at the base of the ramp, the 15 minutes or more, were you able to distinguish the uniformed officers from the newspaper people? Mr. CROY. Uniformed officers; yes. The detectives; no. Mr. GRIFFIN. You couldn't distinguish them? All right. Are you able to describe the relative size of the newspaper reporters that Ruby moved there, in comparison to him? Mr. CROY. No; because this man had run through, Ruby, if it was Ruby, was in a crouch. He was running low. The newspapermen were of average height and average build. Mr. GRIFFIN. How could you tell that the two men he pushed were newspaper reporters? Mr. CROY. I don't know. They might have been police officers. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did anybody that he pushed by have a camera in his hand or microphone or a pad of paper or anything? Mr. CROY. I don't recall whether they did or not. They were actually standing in front of me and I was looking at their backs. Mr. GRIFFIN. Have you seen yourself in any photographs that have been taken of the basement area? Mr. CROY. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember where you saw that photograph? Was it a photograph in a magazine or newspaper or something? Mr. CROY. Television. Mr. GRIFFIN. A TV film? Mr. CROY. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall what station you saw that on? Mr. CROY. All of them. No; I don't. They just ran it and ran it and reran it, and every time I was in the room, someone said, "There you are," and I looked again. Mr. GRIFFIN. Was this a showing that the police department made to you, or were you shown any films by the police department? Mr. CROY. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. You saw this film on the regular, your home TV set, something like that? Mr. CROY. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall in any of these films a shot of Ruby standing behind a very large man, standing right up at the back of a very large man, a very tall man, a man perhaps a head taller than he? Mr. CROY. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. If you were shown these particular movie films, TV films that you saw, could you pick yourself out for us?