Mr. GRIFFIN. So, now, on the basis of what you told us, what would be your best estimate of how long it was after you saw this cameraman come through that you wrote this report? And when I say on the basis of what you said, I don't mean that I want you to conform to anything you have said, but taking into account all the discussion we have had now, what is your best judgment as to how long it was? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. About an hour and a half or 2 hours. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, when you took the names of the two men you found at the camera---- Mr. CUTCHSHAW. I didn't take the names. Mr. GRIFFIN. Lowery took those names? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. How were those two men dressed? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. One of them had on a long black coat. One of these kind of, like a raincoat--topcoat combination deal, and the other one, best I can remember, had on a greenish shirt and khaki trousers. Mr. GRIFFIN. Where had those two men, as you recall, where had they been on the camera as it was being pushed through? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. You mean where? How were they positioned there? Mr. GRIFFIN. Where was the man in the black coat? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. The man in the black coat was on the left side of the camera, and the other one was on the right. Mr. GRIFFIN. There was one man in between? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. As far as I can remember, yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you discuss that man with those people that you and Lowery confronted? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. You mean the two men at the camera? Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes. Mr. CUTCHSHAW. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you ask them where the third man was? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. I asked them where the third man was who had helped them with the camera, and they told me they didn't know there was any third man there. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you ask those men where that camera had been before it came through the double doors? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. Have you subsequently learned where it was before it came through the double doors? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. Yes. I heard it had been up on the third floor, and that they were bringing it down because it had the telescopic lens, and they were wanting to get a shot taking Oswald up the ramp to the armored car. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you learn the names of the two men that you talked with out at that camera? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. I have not since then, no. At the time, I thought one was named John Alexander, but I don't know what their names are. Mr. GRIFFIN. When Lowery saw you questioning those two men, do you recall if Lowery at that time remembered that there had been a third man on the camera? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. Well, when I called him over there, I told him what I had, and he said, "Yes, he remembered a third man being with them." Mr. GRIFFIN. But Lowery came over at your beckoning? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Lowery did not come over spontaneously? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. When you arrived up in the homicide office to write your report, who was there?