Mr. CUTCHSHAW. The one on the left, the one that had on a black coat, when he came through, he looked up like that and he was pushing on through. Mr. GRIFFIN. When you ultimately met over there, you confronted those men afterward and saw the man in the black coat, was it the same man that turned up and looked at you? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Is there any question in your mind about that? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. No; I remember his nose real good. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, after those men passed you, did you let the doors swing back, or did you walk back with it, or what did you do? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. I just turned loose of it. There was another officer that closed right in behind them. Mr. GRIFFIN. There were other officers that closed in behind the TV cameramen? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Where did those officers go? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. They just stood there. There were some standing in front of the door at the time. Mr. GRIFFIN. But you didn't follow them through the door? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. No. They were already stationed there, and then when they started pushing through, the doors came open, and the officers just moved aside. Mr. GRIFFIN. As that door swung shut, do you recall whether you then looked back up the hallway from which that camera had come to see if other people were coming down, or whether you might have looked in toward the jail office, or whether you continued to watch them go on? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. I don't remember. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember any activity back here in that hallway immediately after you let go of that swinging door? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. Well, just a little, maybe a minute or two. Mr. GRIFFIN. Later? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. But not immediately thereafter? Do you have any recollection of seeing anything back there immediately thereafter? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. Well, right after, right after this, the doors came to here, a man stepped away from the wall over there, the one I told you previously where one came into the hallway. Mr. GRIFFIN. A newspaperman? A newspaper person? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Stepped away from this area where you have the "N" marked? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. Right. Mr. GRIFFIN. Where did he walk to? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. He walked out toward the swinging doors and motioned for somebody to come out. Mr. GRIFFIN. And your attention was attracted to him? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did you actually see that man move away? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. Yes. Who moved away from right here and stepped about half way from where he was standing up to the swinging doors. Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. Have you watched the movies of all this? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. I just seen it one time. Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. Are you able to state whether what you are telling us now is from your own knowledge, or is it confused with anything you may have seen in the movies? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. Because I remember when he stepped out, I made him get back, and I told him to get back up against the wall.