Chief BATCHELOR. Dean said something to me, and I don't remember whether it was Sunday or not. I believe it was Sunday afternoon, sometime, or evening, to the effect that he had been up and talked to Ruby with Mr. Sorrels, I believe was present there, and that Ruby told him he came down that ramp. He told him that an officer, that a car came in, and an officer stopped and talked with the fellows in the car, and while he was talking to them, he walked down there. There is nothing to indicate that the officer did talk to the officers that went out other than maybe to speak to them. I mean, but it appears evident now that while the officer did walk away momentarily a few feet from the entrance is when he got in. Mr. GRIFFIN. When Dean made this statement to you, did you know that he had spoken to a newspaper reporter also? Chief BATCHELOR. No, sir. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know whether this conversation you had with Dean was before or after he spoke to the newspaper people? Chief BATCHELOR. No, sir; I don't know. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you have an occasion to talk with an officer by the name of Newman that day? Chief BATCHELOR. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you have occasion to talk to Officer Vaughn on that day? Chief BATCHELOR. No; over on top of the ramp? Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes. Chief BATCHELOR. No; as a matter of fact, I never have talked with Vaughn. And I wasn't talking to Dean in the nature of interrogating. He voluntarily told me this. Mr. GRIFFIN. Was anybody else present when Dean told you that? Chief BATCHELOR. I don't recall that there was. I don't think there was. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall where this conversation occurred? Chief BATCHELOR. No; it was there in the city hall, but I don't remember exactly where. It was probably up on the third floor. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now I am going to mark for identification, "Dallas, Tex., Chief Batchelor, March 23, 1964, Exhibit 5002." Can you tell us briefly what that is, Chief? Chief BATCHELOR. That is a monthly assignment board or bulletin, which has the names of all the members of the police department in it and their assignments for the month of November 1963. Mr. GRIFFIN. Is that a true and accurate roster of the people who were employed in the department on the day that Ruby shot Oswald? Chief BATCHELOR. It would be, with the exception of any few that might have been reassigned, or any few that might have, in the course of the month, been transferred from one division to another, which occurs frequently. But for the most part it is correct. Mr. GRIFFIN. Or, also a few that had been hired? Chief BATCHELOR. Or a few that had been hired during that month. They are not on there; yes, sir. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now you and I have spoken at some length during the last day, not counting the length of time we spent here. Do you recall that in your office this morning we talked some about security measures in the protection of the President? Chief BATCHELOR. Yes.